A man has to do all this to get a date with a non virgin woman in her mid 30s? That’s asking a lot,
I don't think a lot of men want to be with supermodels or 9/10s. Yes, it would be aweosme to have sex with them once or twice, but for. a relationship? I don’t think so. It’s brainwashing by society to assume all men want models.
A “mid tier” women has to be defined first. What is it? Is it a 35 year old average looking PhD? Is it a hot 22 year old slut? Is it an average looking 27 year old single mom? Is it a 6/10 18 year virgin? What is it?
I think as long as a woman is of the age of easily getting pregnant, has long hair, is not fat, has some sort of education or work ethic, and hasn’t slept with a lot of men, a mid tier man will easily take her. Is that too much to ask?
You're damn right, the list you quoted is asking an awful lot to get a date (which will probably be sexless anyway) with a woman who's really nothing special.
I certainly don't want a relationship with a 9 or 10. I prefer 5-8. My biggest reason for not wanting a 9 or 10? Because of how stressful it would be to know your girlfriend could get any man at any second. Unless you're a 9 or 10 (on the looks scale) billionaire, there's no incentive for a 9 or 10 woman to stay with you (or even if she'll stay with you, no incentive for her to be faithful)
Interesting wording when you say being at the age of easily getting pregnant is one of your criteria for what makes a woman a catch. While I totally am aware most men on here don't have my crippling pregnancy phobia (so they actively enjoy getting with a young woman), I get the impression most men on here don't
want to get anyone pregnant (your wording, on the other hand, makes it sound like you want to impregnate a woman)
To answer your question of how I'd define mid-tier woman, my idea of mid-tier is 4-7. A 4 woman is lower mid-tier. A 5 is plain old mid-tier. A 6 or 7 is upper mid-tier.
Everyone's definition of what constitutes a 4/5/6/7 will vary. I tend to be a generous grader. For example, I'd rate my obese counselor a 6. Many men, on the other hand, would likely insist there's no way an obese woman is a 6.
The typical 45-55 year old woman will write off any younger man due to age.
There are some younger men who are neurotypicals who have sex with older women for short periods of time. It's often a friend or co-worker of his mom. They are usually better looking than you are and it's often something casual. I don't think that's the best use of time for an 18-25 year old male, but it happens. I usually won't criticize a younger male too much for doing that if he realizes that it's not sustainable and it is short term sex only.
Most neurotypical men grow out of the older woman phase by their mid-20s. When a man reaches 25-27, he's older than enough women to make it worthwhile to go after women that are younger than he is.
Your older woman fetish and pregnancy phobia is outlier level abnormal.
That subset exists. Women with that ideology likely lean more feminist than even the average woman.
The average woman in the USA leans more feminist now than the average woman in the USA did in 1970.
Rollo Tomassi has said many times that average tier women are uninterested in average tier men.
I don't think average tier men are called entitled as much as you think that they are called entitled.
This woman is a well known example of a mid tier woman who believes that she should have an elite tier man committing to her. I have posted this example multiple times because it is so on point. She's not the only mid-tier woman who feels this way.
Just like a woman who's a 6 is in no position to act surprised when a 9 or 10 refuses to commit to her, a 3 or 4 is in no position to act surprised when I don't want to commit to her.
Even if my overall SMV (when the whole picture is taken into account) is only a 3, the fact I'm a 6 or 7 on looks alone makes it unrealistic for a 3 or 4 to expect commitment from me.
When I was 21, a woman who was a 4 (at best) had sex with me after a 1st date, yet then acted surprised when I did a hump-and-dump. She's no different than a 6 woman acting surprised when a 9 man does a hump and dump.
When I was 23, that was when a woman who was a 3 followed me home on public transportation and had sex with me. Despite her ugliness, I was a horny 23 year old male (my mentality was "cooch is cooch"). Once again, hump and dump. I was way too good for her looks-wise.
Hell, even my overall SMV (when taking the full package into account) was higher at 21-23 than it is now. At 21-23, I was in my prime, I didn't dress like a grandpa yet, and my lack of a high income was more likely to be given leeway by the opposite sex when I was that age.
