"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Drinking with friends

Prodoge

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Does going out with friends (15 years +) and getting drunk hinder self inprovement ?

This happens probably two times a month and I feel like it sets me back to some extent. Mostly in my workout routine.

The thing is that we always have insane fun and get the best nights out together. And i don't want to lose them becausebwe have been friends since we have been 3 years old.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Jifto

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How old are you buddy?
This is only my opinion so take it with a grain of salt:

Going out and getting drunk should stop sometime in your late 20's (not including NYE, travel, etc). I can't pinpoint an exact time, but it just feels like you turn a corner from being those fun loving guys to those older guys that everyone wonders wtf is wrong with. When I was 29 I just stopped cold for a year. Not a drop of booze, but still went out with friends. Man, being the sober one and just observing, there was a huge difference between the appearance of late 20's dudes being drunk and early 20's dudes.

On top of that, hangovers get worse and take away more time from self development. Google alcohol's effects on fitness too.

YMMV - but I think there is a lot to be said for social drinking, just not getting krunk.
 

Red Legg

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Does going out with friends (15 years +) and getting drunk hinder self inprovement ?

This happens probably two times a month and I feel like it sets me back to some extent. Mostly in my workout routine.

The thing is that we always have insane fun and get the best nights out together. And i don't want to lose them becausebwe have been friends since we have been 3 years old.
Lot's of things can set you back in workout routine.My girlfriend makes a mean lasagna,and other Italian dishes,this sets my weight loss back a bit and she knows it.
 

SmooveMooves

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No. You're fine. You're young. Have as much fun as you can. 2 times a month isn't going to make much of a difference. Plan your cheat days around when you're going out. Don't give up fun for improvement sake.

Don't forget why you pursue improvement, to be the best you possibly can be and elevate your life experiences. Time with friends is apart of that. Enjoy it while it lasts. There's people on this forum who would kill for friends to go out with once a month, let alone twice, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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