"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Drama, Bullsh!t, Drama, Bullsh!t

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So I met this girl from Tinder several months ago. We ended up meeting up for "wine and netflix," had awesome sex, and became friends with benefits. After a little while I felt that I needed a short break and we didn't talk for about a month. When I hit her up again she tells me she has a boyfriend/is dating someone and can't see me. A couple days later she says she has a girlfriend who, like me, is just looking for FWB and is interested in hanging out with me. I see some pics and am also interested because the girl is f*cking beautiful.

***DRAMA INCOMING***

So a few days later she (original girl with a BF) hits me up asking if I saw the walking dead finale, but it quickly gets sexual and, to make a long story short, we end up hanging out and f*cking that same night. I honestly didn't want to be "that guy" (who f*cks a girl with a boyfriend), but the sexual chemistry and attraction is truly amazing. Anyways, I end up meeting the other girl (the friend) a couple days later. We hang out, f*ck, and all is good. No--GREAT. Even hit her up the next morning and we schedule something for tomorrow.

At the same time, I'm also talking to the original girl and we set up something for tonight (lol why am I typing this, huh?). So we're texting over the weekend and she's going back and forth--"I want to hang out, I don't want to hang out, etc." So tonight comes, she's still f*cking teasing me and acting like she wants to hang out, then when I leave the gym I have a text that says "I don't think I'm coming over tonight " Talk to her on the phone for a bit and she, understandably so, doesn't want to lie to her friend (the one I had sex with) and cheat on her BF again (again... Lol). Then what happens? Her friend texts me saying she can't hang out tomorrow because she has an exam tomorrow, which I actually believed until I thought... "Wait... We weren't going to chill till 8-10pm. Wouldn't her class and exam be over?" I just told her it was cool and "maybe another time." No text back. Got a snapchat shortly thereafter with both of them in the pic saying "your girls studying." Real f*cking cute.

Just venting. Women continually disappoint me.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Sounds like they're both cool with sleeping with you. What's the problem?
 

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Drama? You banged a girl with a boyfriend....and then you banged her friend. And they're both pretty much okay with it, and they're even calling themselves "your girls". And they just flaked on you once. You reacted the right way. And you're probably going to end up getting a threesome. That's much less bullsh!t overall than most guys typically get within the first 5 minutes of meeting a girl...
 

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Thanks for the encouragement, but I'm feeling more like I won't see either of them anymore. Of course I'll try, but the original girl is obviously freaked out because of the situation, and her friend (who she hangs out with ALL THE TIME) straight up flaked with a bullsh!t reason the night before our "date" and didn't reciprocate nor did she even text me back.
 

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stealth bragging thread

also, there's a .1% chance she has like... night classes or something.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Firstly, I want whatever it is you're on mate!

Secondly, I have found in the past with complex situations like this that if you're ok then the girl is ok. I'm talking sex in public, sex in a hostel dorm for hours with people walking past, group sex, blatantly picking up other women in front of them, talking about other plates or current conquests, whatever. Simply project your reality onto them and give them no choice. Whatever you do should feel to them like you have done it a hundred times before.
 

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devilkingx2 said:
stealth bragging thread

also, there's a .1% chance she has like... night classes or something.
The excuse has to be a complete lie for a number of reasons...

1.) Said she was free Wednesday night just a few days ago, now all of a sudden she has class and an exam. Riiiiight. Who forgets when they have class? And she didn't even say "I forgot I have class." She said she forgot she has an EXAM. If it's a day class it wouldn't screw up our "date," and if it's a night class don't you think she would have said she wasn't free when we made plans? :crazy:

2.) No reciprocation.

3.) Other girl texted me and during the conversation I just straight up asked when her friends class/exam was. Her response? "I honestly don't know because I didn't ask. But I know it's a night class. I have classes from 4:20-9:40 tomorrow and I'm pretty sure she has them the same time I do." Lmao obviously a complete f*cking lie. And once again, if she has night classes on Wednesday why would she have said she was free a few days ago?
 

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Lol. You're totally boasting.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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El Payaso said:
Lol. You're totally boasting.
I can see how it would come off that way, but I'm really not trying to boast. I'm legitimately pissed at all the non-stop bullsh!t.
 

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Korrupt said:
Thanks for the encouragement, but I'm feeling more like I won't see either of them anymore. Of course I'll try, but the original girl is obviously freaked out because of the situation, and her friend (who she hangs out with ALL THE TIME) straight up flaked with a bullsh!t reason the night before our "date" and didn't reciprocate nor did she even text me back.
Korrupt, this outcome dependence. I'm not chastizing you because I get where you are coming from here. These women are jsut acting like women so rationality doesn't apply. Just add more to the stable and expect nothing more to come from it.
 

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The_411 said:
Korrupt, this outcome dependence. I'm not chastizing you because I get where you are coming from here. These women are jsut acting like women so rationality doesn't apply. Just add more to the stable and expect nothing more to come from it.
It's very difficult not to be outcome dependent and get disappointed when something you were looking forward to happening goes down the drain. I also think I did slightly catch feelings for the original chick. Blah. Exactly why I never date.
 

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Korrupt said:
The excuse has to be a complete lie for a number of reasons...

1.) Said she was free Wednesday night just a few days ago, now all of a sudden she has class and an exam. Riiiiight. Who forgets when they have class? And she didn't even say "I forgot I have class." She said she forgot she has an EXAM. If it's a day class it wouldn't screw up our "date," and if it's a night class don't you think she would have said she wasn't free when we made plans? :crazy:

2.) No reciprocation.

3.) Other girl texted me and during the conversation I just straight up asked when her friends class/exam was. Her response? "I honestly don't know because I didn't ask. But I know it's a night class. I have classes from 4:20-9:40 tomorrow and I'm pretty sure she has them the same time I do." Lmao obviously a complete f*cking lie. And once again, if she has night classes on Wednesday why would she have said she was free a few days ago?

1.) if she's like a straight D student, I can see her forgetting something like this

2.) I forgot about that, yeah, interested girls counter offer, riiiiiight.

3.) oh wow, you got 'em red handed lying to you.

well this sucks for ya, keep us posted OP.
 

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The fact that first girl from tinder smashed fairly easy from what it sounds like, gets a bf smashes you again and introduces her friend you smash her = pretty low quality women IMHO, question is why do you care if there's drama. I don't see any of these girls more than a pump and dump situation, why do you care if there's drama??

You already won lol banged her from tinder then when she got a bf and her friend, conquest is complete, on to the next.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Nn877 said:
The fact that first girl from tinder smashed fairly easy from what it sounds like, gets a bf smashes you again and introduces her friend you smash her = pretty low quality women IMHO, question is why do you care if there's drama. I don't see any of these girls more than a pump and dump situation, why do you care if there's drama??

You already won lol banged her from tinder then when she got a bf and her friend, conquest is complete, on to the next.
Two reasons why I believe I care...

1.) lack of interesting options. Sure I'm talking to and seeing other girls, but I'm just not as interested in them as these two.

2.) The original girl is the best I've ever had in bed, and her friend was one of the hottest girls I've ever been with. Not very good in bed, but beautiful
 

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Lol at this sh!t. I'm texting the original chick and told her I know the other girl's exam excuse was a lie, that I know she's not interested, and that I know she already knows this. Her response? "Yeah I know everything remember... Two steps ahead babe ;)"

Complete trash. Both of them. Barely worth a f*ck at this point. God damn f*cking pathetic kunts :cuss:
 

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Your problem is you're around women that do cheat on their boyfriends, and do f@ck with their friend's f@ck buddy. You must be pretty disquieted with sex to get this low. This is hugely beta.
 

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I think their secretely pissed you laid both of them. They wont express it to each other but girls are fake.

Like two chicks who are best friends but in actuality their also competing with one another contiuosly in their heads. "oh shes getting attention from that guy so im gonna go hit on a guy so hell she me attention" i see it all the time.

I bet you one of them will end up hitting you up soon if you go LC. I think her friend told her to lie and made up a bunch of crap like "omg you rode him too! Wasnt he horrible! WE wont be doing that again!"
 

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backseatjuan said:
Your problem is you're around women that do cheat on their boyfriends, and do f@ck with their friend's f@ck buddy. You must be pretty disquieted with sex to get this low. This is hugely beta.
You're funny
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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