Double Your Masturbating?

[legolas]

Well I haven't posted in a while, but this one has been long overdue.

I've been a fan of David DeAngelo ever since he started and have read his book and his many newsletters. I have even tried the C&F routine (which by the way is just another form of flirting) and have goten results from it.

However the kind of results that I've gotten were not what I intended. I ended up attracting a girl who wasn't very stable mentally and not so attractive physically. This got me thinking that the c&f routine works only on chicks who don't respect themselves. But I was young and eager to experiment.

The biggest hurdle I've had to face was inside me. I had this nagging sensation that I had no idea what I was doing, I had no clue when it came to girls, while they on the onther hand knew everything. Especially, if I saw one of those gilrs who you'd label a 9.5 physically, I kept thinking "Oh she has it all figured out, she knows exactly what's gong on." This was a big stopper when it came to approaching girls.

Well it didn't take long before I started questioning this attitude, and while I was reading yet anotehr Double Your Dating newsletter tip, I got a clue. His newsletters, though not directly, play to the idea that women know exactly what men are up to and can instantly detect wussies and decide right there and then whether they want to sleep with you or be friends with you. You also get the idea that men and the things they do or say are to blame for women not sleeping with them.

In a way that's true, because if you act too needy, you're going to turn the other person off. This is the first thing that I learned from dealing with that "crazy" chick, but the roles were reversed. In reality it's much more complicated than that. A whole slew of things factor in the decision of whether or not a girl will sleep with you, and attraction is only a small part of that. In fact it's not even a determining factor. A girl may be attracted to you, but decide that she doesn't want to sleep with you.

Anywhoo, just some ramblings

 

[Señor Fingers]

Hey Crazy Legs!

Like any advice which is given as a marketing ploy, David D. should be taken with a big grain of salt. I think he has good intentions, but his implications that "not being a wuss" and using C&F will get you all the girls you want, is a little misleading.

I dropped C&F from my early game because I felt it was detrimental and created too much of a competitive dynamic. Instead of allowing you to assume more of a leadership role, you invite her to contend with you on that level, and even if you dominate her with your wit, this often leads to more resistance down the road. Looking back, it seriously killed my game many times. I also notice that the chicks who react the most to this approach are usually head cases..but that just may be my luck!

The best results I got were when I wasn't trying so hard to out-maneuver girls. Like you, I thought they had the game all figured out and it was my job to show them who was boss. I was partially right, it is our job to take control, but it is much more effective to do this without being a wise-ass the whole time. The more time I spent around natural players, the more I realized how laidback and chill they were. They are often so low-key in their approach, you don't even get a chance to notice their game. In fact I only saw them use C&F rarely and it was with their steady girls, the new recruits always got pulled into dark corners for intimate convos, then whisked away into the night.

As far as attraction goes, I think it's BS to say that women always know if they will sex you with one passing glance. While it may be true in a lot of instances, look at this whole thing from the male perspective. We are visually stimulated very easily and within milliseconds of meeting a hot girl, in our heads we've already hit it doggystyle, gotten a nice BJ and came on her face before saying "hello"

But you can't sleep on the sleeper b!tches...you know..the ones that are very plain looking, hardly show any T&A and almost seem asexual, at first. Then you have a conversation with them and something just clicks and almost without your own volition, the porno sequence starts up. It could be anything, from the way she carries herself, to her personal scent, the sound of her voice...chemistry is funny like that.

I believe that it works both ways and women experience this even more than we do. If anything it should be an encouragement to all you average Joe's out there. Attraction is a mysterious thing and is not set in stone. It depends on a lot of factors, personal taste being the most erratic one.

Way I see it, for every fly hottie who seemed out of my league, I have seen 5 who were with guys who are not as handsome, successful (or modest) as I am. I realized that the whole concept of "leagues" is a terrible farce and that I had as good a shot as anyone else, maybe even better. But how would I ever know until I went up to bat?

And that is the essence of game...you can't win unless you play!

 

[legolas]

Hey Señor Fingers, long time no see. Thanks for your reply. I'm almost at the point of believing that c&f only works on the looney chicks in terms of creating stalkers and the like :woo:

I also totally agree that the great players are very low-key, laid-back and so subtle you don't even notice them. In fact at my workplace, I only recently found out about some of the affairs that had been going on right under my nose with some of the girls there, one of which I thought highly of. Having seen this guy arouind before I knoew what had been going on, he was the kind of guy you wouldn't even think was on to something, very laid-back and extremely subtle. I'll have to keep this one in mind, and go after the "sleeper" chicks as you call them.

I have this new theory on attraction I might post here at some point. But right it's still in "developmental" stages.

 

[penkitten]

who wants to double the masterbating?
why not double your sex life ?

 

[M@J.uk]

So True!

I spent months working with the whole DYD concept, only to find that trying to be one step ahead and being a smart-ass was working against me. I think its that we all like to have a complete game plan when infact i found that the best game plan for me was not in knowing what to do, but just what NOT to do.

I think its about EGO, i found that when i stopped trying to live upto me HUGE ego that i gained in learning so many do's and dont's, my game completely fell into place. I stopped worrying about what i should be doing, and just enjoyed myself; as long as i didnt do what i knew i shouldnt be doing, what i did didn't really matter as long as i had a fun vibe people are naturaly attracted to.

To get over yourself is in itself a massive step towards Mastery

 

[Mercenary]

I had written a long ass reply, but a few points will be more effective.

- Stop relying on one technique

- Stop bashing DYD. It's just a tool, not an end all be all guide to getting a woman.

- C/F does not mean being a "smart-ass".

- the average person is very insecure, women even more so. Saying something to make them more insecure does not help you get laid.

- improve yourself, don't diminish others, and attraction will take care of itself.

Legolas, don't get it twisted. Concluding that C/F only works on women with low self esteem is premature. I think it's more likely that you are attracting women who have problems because the rest of your game (that you've been showing thus far) isn't strong enough to attract a higher caliber woman. It's like you said... the biggest hurdle you have to face is the one inside you...
it has very little to do with who you're trying to attract.

I'm just tired of hearing about the whole C/F thing. It gets so much attention because that is one of the EASIEST things a guy can change about his interactions with women, and it ends up being a crutch. When it doesn't yield the success with women you expect, guys start to discredit the author. That's not fair play.

 

[M@J.uk]

In ENGLAND, ****y and funny IS what we would call being a smart-ass. Doesnt work to well in the opening stages. DYD rules, no doubt, shame he has released SO MUCH material now, if it wasnt for the fact i know how to get that stuff on the cheap (or free) i would call it B.S. ****y in England works to a degree, but nothing like the effect it has in the US.

I've tried the 'Wanna Fcuk?' in england and in the US, and it works much better in the US, but got say when i was up in leeds, it worked much better than down london way.

 

[ghostin]

Originally posted by M@J.uk
...I've tried the 'Wanna Fcuk?' in england and in the US, and it works much better in the US, but got say when i was up in leeds, it worked much better than down london way.

I wouldnt really consider that C&F. Prolly make most girls think ur perverted.

C&F involves wit...and making fun of women. But acting like a pervert, or making fun of things most women are insecure about usually doenst get you a decent girl.

 

[FollowTheWhiteRabbit]

Originally posted by Señor Fingers
I dropped C&F from my early game because I felt it was detrimental and created too much of a competitive dynamic. Instead of allowing you to assume more of a leadership role, you invite her to contend with you on that level, and even if you dominate her with your wit, this often leads to more resistance down the road. Looking back, it seriously killed my game many times. I also notice that the chicks who react the most to this approach are usually head cases..but that just may be my luck!

Its not just your luck, Its also mine apparently, I just didnt notice it till you pointed it out so clearly there.

I showed up at this site because of a girl, like most everyone here, who I let destroyed who I was. Before that Happened I use to be good at C&F, it was my MO, to put it in perspective. I loved the contest of wit between the girl and I though, it worked for me.

After realizing that women are not the goddesses that they can be made out to be I look back and realize that a lot of the girls I met were freaking head cases. They could play the C&F game but they were self abosrbed, some just f.cked from a bad upbringing, just headcases.

I had a lot of fun with these girls though. Well the for the short time I spent with each of them. The thing about these chicks that I saw and notice as of late is that they wear you out. After spending a short time with these girls I was just spent and my game would fall apart. I use to be able to stay C&F for a few months, now after even one evening when I meet the girl I feel exhausted.

My point, as much fun as these girls were they are not good for me as I rebuild my game. Ive realised that I do not have the energy to keep up with these girls right now and I dont believe that they or this style are good for newcomers such as myself. These girl either loved or hated me. Some girls would be telling me that she loved me after a week and others would be running from me after a few days. Either way its kind over kill on the brain since your going from one side of the coin to the other with nothing consistant in between. Total mind f.ck at this stage in my game.

ITs fun though when you get a girl that can pace you at it and isnt retarded.

 

[paraguayandj]

you can't win unless you play!

Brilliant, just brilliant!