"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

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double standards. expectations of what they want, you must have car, must have degree

joe45

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ever dated or went out with a girl who had something i would call a double standard.
they expect and made indirect comments about myself not owning and having a car and access to a car, when ur a college student who has to
pay his own school fees. owning a car in Vancouver is expensive if your not making a lot
of money in your p/t 10/hr dead end job.
funny thing is the girl(nikki) didn;t even have a car, access to a car or even a drivers
licnese. at least i had my drivers license. hey why don't you get a car.

another girl i met in college before, was similar to the car incident,but didn't make as much a deal about it.
she asked me if i was going to pusue a degree , i wasn;t sure at that time. from talking to her , i can tell she wanted a
educated 4 yr degree guy. she even said she wanted a guy with a bachelor degree. funny thing is she doesn't even have a degree, but is a drop out of a community college pracitical
nursing 8 month program .lol wow double standard. hey.
a car was neccessary too, but talking to them it had to be someting decent. a newer or close to new model car. nothing too old, who nows. i could get a
car ,but nothing special and i just don't want the added expense. i work p/t in a 10/hr job and most of the money
goes to school fees. college schooling for a degree isn't cheap. 2400 for a semester not including 600 for textbooks.

i have female friends who had car , nothing nice -civic, accords and have dated guys who had no cars and also had
lower educaiton than them. they hhave a 4 yr univ degree. one of them drove me home from work , and the other i met
off the net. they are decent looking and not fat. too bad they aren't interested though.


funny thing is these 2 girls weren't hotties(thicker side, obese and chubbyand fat girls)
either, probably a 3.5,4 out of 10 according to my friends, my buddy met angela said a -4 lol . why i ask em out.
lol easier to get their numbers, and you now they going say oh YESS when u ask em out.funny these thicker
girls have high expectations, but aren't really like moedels.

you can't even tell b/c both of these girl, were like plain janes, hooodies, no make up, simple dressed and wearing
nothing fancy. u think they won't be like that, but they are. i guess it says to tell, you can't tell by looking.
i guess i was desperato at that time. lol.

i don't care what ppl here say. we are in the 21 st century and its all equal opportunity.girls should have univ degrees now, should have their own car. even if i had a car, i not going be driving you aorund all the time. not like some guys who are doormats do. i could get a car with my money, its just that i chose not to. i got better things to spend my $ on.

had any guys had this problem before, girls who lacked something, but expected the guy to have it.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Oh yeah man, I hung out with this girl that required that any guy she dated had a car, even though she didn't and if she needed to go anywhere she either rode the bus or called her dad (we were in college, and he lived 35 miles away). Ridiculous.
 

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BS Double Standards

Look man, it is a fact of life. Girls have double standards. My car is an old bomber 91 Cadillac. My friends call it the Sadillac. It gets me from point a to point b, so for me it serves it's purpose.
I don't have the desire to have the added expense of a car payment. My mechanic said "you'll either put money in 'em or make a payment". I could easily afford a car payment but I prefer to use my money in other ways. Women usually 'like' my car or say its comfy, probably has more to do with them liking me. Unless they are gold-digging hos, they don't have a problem with it.

I am seeing a girl right now who is 23. She moved back in with her parents about 9 months ago after finishing college. A lot of her friends are doing the same.They are staying at home to get on their feet. I was in the same situation after grad-school. I stayed at home for a year to pay off some debts and start investments. I now live on my own. The other night, the 'living at home' subject came up between chica and her friends when I was out with her(them). I could hardly control my laughter when they all unabashedly admitted that they would look down on a guy who lived at home. I called them out on this, knowing that they all lived at home. None had a rational reply but they all admitted it would be points against a guy for various reasons, no matter what else he had going for him.

For me, a car is a status symbol, and most people make payments on cars they can't afford to represent a status that they don't yet have and likely will not attain if they continue to make financial decisions in the same vein.

Living at home however has to be dealt with in a different fashion. To become a man in North America, one needs to build/experience/develop the independence and self-direction that is required of a man on his own. If you stay with mommy and daddy you are not a MAN.

Latinoman hit on this subject about a year ago. It stung a little bit for me at the time because I was not on my own(read had moved back home after college-especially after 6 years of single college life in my own place(s)), but his points were valid and spurred me to make a necessary, positive change in my own life.
 

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chicks have double standards when it comes to things that DHV and we as men have a double standards when it comes to fuucking. We can fuuck 20 biitches and be a pimp, but if a chick ****'s 15 she's a *****. Double standards is simply a part of life.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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joe45 said:
ever dated or went out with a girl who had something i would call a double standard.
they expect and made indirect comments about myself not owning and having a car and access to a car, when ur a college student who has to
pay his own school fees. owning a car in Vancouver is expensive if your not making a lot
of money in your p/t 10/hr dead end job.
funny thing is the girl(nikki) didn;t even have a car, access to a car or even a drivers
licnese. at least i had my drivers license. hey why don't you get a car.

another girl i met in college before, was similar to the car incident,but didn't make as much a deal about it.
she asked me if i was going to pusue a degree , i wasn;t sure at that time. from talking to her , i can tell she wanted a
educated 4 yr degree guy. she even said she wanted a guy with a bachelor degree. funny thing is she doesn't even have a degree, but is a drop out of a community college pracitical
nursing 8 month program .lol wow double standard. hey.
a car was neccessary too, but talking to them it had to be someting decent. a newer or close to new model car. nothing too old, who nows. i could get a
car ,but nothing special and i just don't want the added expense. i work p/t in a 10/hr job and most of the money
goes to school fees. college schooling for a degree isn't cheap. 2400 for a semester not including 600 for textbooks.

i have female friends who had car , nothing nice -civic, accords and have dated guys who had no cars and also had
lower educaiton than them. they hhave a 4 yr univ degree. one of them drove me home from work , and the other i met
off the net. they are decent looking and not fat. too bad they aren't interested though.


funny thing is these 2 girls weren't hotties(thicker side, obese and chubbyand fat girls)
either, probably a 3.5,4 out of 10 according to my friends, my buddy met angela said a -4 lol . why i ask em out.
lol easier to get their numbers, and you now they going say oh YESS when u ask em out.funny these thicker
girls have high expectations, but aren't really like moedels.

you can't even tell b/c both of these girl, were like plain janes, hooodies, no make up, simple dressed and wearing
nothing fancy. u think they won't be like that, but they are. i guess it says to tell, you can't tell by looking.
i guess i was desperato at that time. lol.

i don't care what ppl here say. we are in the 21 st century and its all equal opportunity.girls should have univ degrees now, should have their own car. even if i had a car, i not going be driving you aorund all the time. not like some guys who are doormats do. i could get a car with my money, its just that i chose not to. i got better things to spend my $ on.

had any guys had this problem before, girls who lacked something, but expected the guy to have it.
women like this aren't looking for a man, they are lookign for status symbols
 

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What attracts guys to women like this?
 

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Haha.

Last year I had this girl over for dinner with my then roommate and her BF, and a friend of his. We all had some wine, and after a couple hours this girl got on the topic of anyone having had gay or lesbian experiences. Funny enough, but everyone in the room, besides myself ('cause just no!) has had at least one homosexual experience in their life.

This girl said she had just started to have sex with her female friends, and wanted to continue to do so. She didn't consider herself bi though, rather she labeled herself "Straight, but open minded.". She then claimed that if she was to date any guy, he had to accept the fact that she was going to continue having sex with her friends, while he had to remain 100% faithful to her.

How delusional can a person ****ing get? I mean, really?
 

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Logically, it makes perfect sense that for you two to date each other conveniently, at least one of you needs to have transportation.

chicks have double standards when it comes to things that DHV and we as men have a double standards when it comes to fuucking. We can fuuck 20 biitches and be a pimp, but if a chick ****'s 15 she's a *****. Double standards is simply a part of life.
Well said.

Don't expect men to be women and men to be women. That is the path to the Dark Side!!!
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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That's nothing... move to southern California.... just because it's warm here year round doesn't mean the grass is greener.
 

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Uhh, is this news that some girls only go for guys with cash and ambition? I don't mess with gold diggers, regardless of how hot they are. Well, I take that back, I'd still hit it, but I won't spend money on them like they expect to happen. If that's one of their prereqs then we won't get along.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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So he goes sarging at Monasteries???

LOL!
Sorry,couldn't resist!

LMS, we love you, man!!!:rockon:
 

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there are very few people I would like to meet in person.. LMS is one of them...
 

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well, theoretically christian girls shouldn't be acting like hors, and i usually go for them

of course, some of them are just horish hypocrites :(
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Can't be, they're a dime a dozen....:confused:

actually to most men they are ovbiously going for about $2 million for 1 because no one is getting any
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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