"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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'dont want to be more than just friends'?

pete101

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ok i meet this chick who's at my college who i was talking to on facebook before i arrived, she tells me she's only looking to be friends and doesn't 'normally' meet guys from the net, i made it clear to her i wasn't looking to be just friends yet somehow she seemed to forget this by the time we actually met.. (i sent this like a month beforehand)

so i go on this 'meeting' and it went really well i was making her laugh it seemed like we were having a good date, i kino'd lightly she reciprocated. then i walked her back to her area cos i was going out there after. i escalated the kino and she seemed to be enjoying it, then when i went for the kiss good night i kissed her lips and she told me i had no manners for doing that.. i was like 'well friends kiss each other on the cheek'

i dont understand how she didnt know i was looking for more than that but when i call her yesterday we go into this long a$$ convo about how i never told her on facebook that i wanted to be more than friends and she only met me for business purposes so that i could teach english to her student while shes away..

i started to get annoyed cos she was accusing me of lying so i told her to go check the message and she apologised only after i told her to.

anyway she tells me she'd 'like' to meet me again for that purpose but i made her feel really uncomfortable by touching kino escalating etc.. i thought i didnt do more than i could i.e. i could have fully made out with her as i do normally on dates so didnt expect her to be giving me grief.

i told her i dont do the gilrly way of being friends 1st to see what happens etc.

she seemed as if she was enjoying the kino on the 'meeting' yet now is giving me grief about it.. is this just a sign of low interest?

i really dont get her cos it seemed to go really well yet she's p1ssing me about with her BS and stuff and i told her straight out im not looking to be just friends and has said i'm not allowed to touch her at all next time we meet.. and to take it or leave it. i didn't know how to respond so i said something along of the lines of so i cant touch her but she can touch me..she goes.. 'well that isn't going to happen. haha'

then im thinking like well how is that any different from being just friends then?

i didn't really get an answer cos she had to go and so did i.. but should i flake on her on saturday before she probably will?

i dont really know what i could do to increase her interest cos shes put me on this weird order of no touching.. should i start off with not kissing her when i meet her telling her that is touching.. which will make fun of her order?

i can see this going badly.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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horaholic

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I think you should be persistant about it. I would consider her 'hands off' policy a shyt test. Let her words roll off your back. When she says 'no touching,' your reply should be 'I cant make that promise.' In a c+f way. Make it clear to her, in a fun way, that if she chooses to meet you in person again, she waives all rights to not being touched. SHE KNOWS what she's getting into, she's playing hard to get. If she gives you shyt, keep laughing about it, and remind her that she 'signed up' for it.

A couple other phrases you might want in your arsenal(all in a fun way)

"Its a MANS job to kiss you on a date. It'd be bad manners if I DIDNT kiss you. yes this is a date, BTW. Are you saying I'm not a man?"

"O.k., you proved you're not a slvt, you can quit playin' hard to get now, sweetheart."

"Why are you such a prude?" stuff like that.

If she gives you shyt, tell her to knock it off. All lightheartedly. Dont let her take control! You are a man, and you will not apologize for it. If she really didnt want you to, she wouldnt agree to see you again, but you have to tell her you fully intend make some moves.

Also, before you go in for the kiss, make sure she is looking in your eyes first, so she can expect it. She may have just been pissed cuz planted one on her out of the blue.
 

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Do everything that horaholic has told you to do and always remember the age old Sosuave message: Make the h0 say no.

In that unless she firmly says no to you or freaks the fvck out and starts yelling at you to keep your dirty paws off her, unless she does one of those things anything you do to her then means she is enjoying it and wants you to continue but she wants to make it your fault if she sleeps with you.

Its a fvcked up thing certain chicks do when they have a guilt complex surrounding sex where they let a guy chat them up get them all hot and bothered then after you both finally fvck she can to herself blame what happened on you so she can avoid feeling guilty and like a slvt.

Should she firmly turn down your advances take the hint and stop trying for her and move on to discovering new talent.
 

pete101

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She told me specifically on the phone that I made her really uncomfortable when I did what I did, I see what you're saying about ignoring it but if I don't listen to her won't she think I'm a sleazebag?

I th
 

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"but if I don't listen to her won't she think I'm a sleazebag?"

Women love sleazebags!

You're doing things right as long as she responds in a positive way.

Ignore what she is saying if she returns your kisses passionately or responds to your touching her with smiles or a laugh.

Again the only thing you need to concern yourself with is her strongly telling you no or freaking out about you trying to advance with her.

Stop playing into her frame on things, you are running this show, stay in your reality not her's.

If she says not to touch her yet she smiles when you do then you know she wants you so keep doing what you are doing and again if she responds extremely negatively or harshly with a firm no you walk away and go find another chick.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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