"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Don't trust women that date AFC/Beta males

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Is it just me or does it seem like attractive women who are attached to some afc or beta male have some hidden emotional issues? I've met a lot of them and seen their bfs. At first they seem normal but as I get to know them crazy personality traits start to pop up. Fot example meeting girls who are overly obsessed with thier cats. My reasoning for this is if they were quality then they wouldn't be dating some afc in the first place. The normal hot girls will usually have a hot guy themselves. The crazy have low self esteem or something.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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We all have emotional issues. That you are on a site devoted to helping men improve themselves alone says you have emotional issues. Also there is nothing wrong with cats. My current girlfriend has 5 black cats (not including Ginger Cat and Black and White Cat who visit from time to time). I love cats and I love people who love cats.
 

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all people have issues and all people ain't sh!t but you choose to give them whatever value based on your own needs and issues as well lol.

anyone who were dating lots of girls realize that lots of hot girls have issues and fvcked up personalities and minds and socially awkward.

but that's the beauty of humans because if everyone was perfect them life will be just a robotic one. but the problem in pedestalizing hot girls just because they were lucky in the genitics lottery.

wake the fvck up! love girls and all but love yourself and value yourself first.
 

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Are you for real? I own a cat myself. There's a line between liking cats and being too obsessed over cats. Being too obsessed over something usually is a sign of an underneath emotional issue going on. And also just because everyone has emotional issues doesn't mean a DJ should have to deal with them. I had enough experiences with crazy bpd to want the crazies out of my life at this point.
 

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om1xr said:
all people have issues and all people ain't sh!t but you choose to give them whatever value based on your own needs and issues as well lol.

anyone who were dating lots of girls realize that lots of hot girls have issues and fvcked up personalities and minds and socially awkward.

but that's the beauty of humans because if everyone was perfect them life will be just a robotic one. but the problem in pedestalizing hot girls just because they were lucky in the genitics lottery.

wake the fvck up! love girls and all but love yourself and value yourself first.
So low standards huh? Putting up with $hit just for a little pu$$y?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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So we should trust women who date abusive bad boys?
 

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Sounds like the only AFC is the op. Starting a thread to complain about hot girls dating AFCs....wtf...stop hating man...and go get a hot girl yourself....you didn't even provide examples of why the guys are AFC...I doubt they are on a forum posting about you....let that sink in for the moment.
 

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zinc4 said:
Sounds like the only AFC is the op. Starting a thread to complain about hot girls dating AFCs....wtf...stop hating man...and go get a hot girl yourself....you didn't even provide examples of why the guys are AFC...I doubt they are on a forum posting about you....let that sink in for the moment.
Lol. I didn't even try say anything hateful about afc. What is this REALLY about?
 

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She's "dating" the AFC but f*cking the alpha on the side.

She gets the best of both worlds. Emotional validation and possible financial support from the AFC. Sexual and drama attention from the alpha.

It's a win/win for her.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Dumb question. Dumb answer....silence.
Thanks for contradicting yourself.

You probably define an AFC as a guy who has his sh*t together.

The REAL crazies are the ones who go for a dbag with tattoos who has a criminal record.
 

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skinnyguy said:
So we should trust women who date abusive bad boys?
I'm with skinnyguy here. It depends on how you define AFC/betas.
Some guys here define any male who isn't pump and dumping as AFC.
Should we trust women who only want guys who won't commit to them?

Now if you say you shouldn't trust women who date guys who are doormats, yeah that means she's probably only in it to manipulate and use him for what she can get.
 

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zekko said:
I'm with skinnyguy here. It depends on how you define AFC/betas.
Some guys here define any male who isn't pump and dumping as AFC.
Should we trust women who only want guys who won't commit to them?

Now if you say you shouldn't trust women who date guys who are doormats, yeah that means she's probably only in it to manipulate and use him for what she can get.
For real? This has been beaten to death. Alpha are men with dark triad traits like sociopaths. Beta are every other guys that are normal. Whether you wanna acknowledge it or not. Everything game teaches are what sociopaths do naturally.
 

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skinnyguy said:
Thanks for contradicting yourself.

You probably define an AFC as a guy who has his sh*t together.

The REAL crazies are the ones who go for a dbag with tattoos who has a criminal record.
Lol. You sound like a beta trying to act like an alpha. Thanks for contradicting myself? lmao how am I contradicting myself?
 

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There are some girls which have low standards. I have some girl friends which are like this. I'm a muscular tall guy with low body fat and every time i show off my body they say that they wouldn't date a guy with such body as mine. Their boyfriends are very good friends of mine and all of them are a bit fat and not in a good shape.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Not sure why you're being attacked over this post, I think it's a valid observation.

Thing about women is sex isn't usually their prime objective like it is ours. Some women will forego a relationship with a guy that gives her "tingles" because she wants more "control."

They typically use a dual strategy. I'm sure you've heard of alpha-fux-beta-bux. I'm not going to argue the semantics of alpha/beta as it's only supposed to be used conceptually, not literally, which some guys here will argue endlessly.

Most men simply can't function sexually if we aren't aroused, hence we have to have a modicum of attraction to make it happen. Not the case with women, most of them fake their enjoyment anyway because they either want us to finish faster or they're providing maintenance sex. Not that I'd worry about it as long as it gets the job done.

Plenty of women will stick with a guy to gain all kinds of benefits outside of sex. In fact, I'd argue that most of them do.
 

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For real? This has been beaten to death. Alpha are men with dark triad traits like sociopaths. Beta are every other guys that are normal. Whether you wanna acknowledge it or not. Everything game teaches are what sociopaths do naturally.
Yeah, I disagree with that definition completely.
Alphas are the most dominant males, they're not necessarily sociopaths.
Women are drawn to alpha males because they are the top dogs.
Betas are not necessarily "normal" either, but they are followers.

I do agree that PUA gurus teach you to be a sociopath, which I find disgusting. Sociopaths victimize people without regard, empathy, or consideration for them. If we got rid of all the sociopaths, the world would be a better place.
 

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Two questions.

1. How does a man really know how another man thinks and acts?
2. Do these 'AFC/beta' men, as they are labelled, go around childishly labelling other men in the same way?
 

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Alpha are men with dark triad traits like sociopaths. Beta are every other guys that are normal.
So if we go by your definition:
You are saying that we shouldn't trust women who like normal men, but we should trust women who date sociopaths?
 

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zekko said:
I do agree that PUA gurus teach you to be a sociopath, which I find disgusting. Sociopaths victimize people without regard, empathy, or consideration for them. If we got rid of all the sociopaths, the world would be a better place.
You can't be taught to be a sociopath any more than you can be taught to be autistic.

I'm not attacking you but the quote in bold sounds extremely naive. Not something I'd expect from a man your age.

Life is a struggle. You wouldn't enjoy the good without the bad.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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