"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Don't know what I want.

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I have no idea what I'm after. I know that I find women attractive, but I'm not even sure if I want a woman's company for dating, sex or either.

(Keep in mind I'm kind of introverted/low-key, don't like confrontational type of drama in my life that in my brief experience seems to come with all women regardless of how cool or not they are.)

I've dated a girl I "really liked"...fooled around with her, did everything but sex including oral...I remember enjoying it all, but thinking it was overrated, something I could easily live without.

Yet something feels unproven in my mind, I can't quite explain. I made a post a few days ago about wanting to bang a conventional HB10...and I don't even know if I want that or if it's just my ego that does or "the idea of it."

I also am disenchanted from what I hear from men on this site and my friends in real life who go on "first dates" then don't even end up getting a kiss at the end despite being good looking and having good game/personality.

I also don't mind admitting that part of me deep down would like a serious girlfriend that I'm really attracted to and who feels the same way about me, we have similar values etc., but I can live without it.

So I don't know what's "lacking" right now and if I'm just obsessed with "the idea of women" and if this is the case, what can be done about it? It feels like obsession. (I already have other hobbies/things to keep myself busy, but have a horrible OCD problem.)
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Wow, super emo....first word that came to my mind was MYSPACE. Perhaps you are emo and ase xual and are trying to force yourself to do something you really don't want to do because of your ego.

If you'd rather shop for bird baths and bonsai plants at Home Depot instead of hitting some tight jap azz, then go ahead and do that.
 

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No, not bisexual, don't find men attractive...perhaps like the last poster said asexual and my ego is trying to force me to do something I don't want to do.

"If you'd rather shop for bird baths and bonsai plants at Home Depot instead of hitting some tight jap azz, then go ahead and do that."

As for this part, I'm probably in better shape than you and could beat the crap out of you. Not wanting to bang tons of women doesn't equal having feminine hobbies.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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By conventional HB10, I mean a stereotypical hot woman...one that overdresses, wears a lot of makeup, a kind that most guys would gawk at.

What I realized is something interesting and wondering if anyone else has the same problem.

With girls I "like" and think are pretty/attractive etc...I don't want to have sex with them. I like kissing them/touching them...but if I were to sleep with them, it would be more like the making love sh*t.

Then there are girls I know wouldn't be good for me dating wise whatsoever and look skanky/snobby/not as friendly or approachable, but have great bodies, and I want to do them.
 
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rhcp83 said:
By conventional HB10, I mean a stereotypical hot woman...one that overdresses, wears a lot of makeup, a kind that most guys would gawk at.

What I realized is something interesting and wondering if anyone else has the same problem.

With girls I "like" and think are pretty/attractive etc...I don't want to have sex with them. I like kissing them/touching them...but if I were to sleep with them, it would be more like the making love sh*t.

Then there are girls I know wouldn't be good for me dating wise whatsoever and look skanky/snobby/not as friendly or approachable, but have great bodies, and I want to do them.
Firstly there is no such thing as a HB10.

I have never had this problem, I suppose you aren't sexually attracted to the girls that you like, you are sexually attracted to the women who turn you on. That's natural my friend, attraction has no logic, not for a man or a woman. It is what it is, accept it at face value and stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
 

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Have you watched EckhartTolle, Blueprint or somthing like that? Its a bit like somebody have pushed the reset button on you
 

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Man, if you're not feeling it, than you're not feeling it. Spend your time/money on something you enjoy, get some hobbies. I've been over doing it on the game stuff lately and I've had to back it down a notch or two, you should do the same.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Could be lots of reasons

1) Low testosterone
2) too much flogging the bishop
3) you're taking medications that kill your sex drive
4) You're emotionally shut off
5) Too self-conscious or afraid of rejection
6) Placing too much value on obtaining women

Get in touch what gets you "in the mood" so to speak. If it's dressed up girls that look hot then go after those that get you interested in sex. If a girl does it for you. Then you will want sex regardless of what she looks like.

Looks are the basis for attraction but you need to figure out why you don't connect with girls on a sexual level.

Perhaps you have certain fetishes that can only get you in the mood.
 

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The_411 said:
Could be lots of reasons

1) Low testosterone
2) too much flogging the bishop
3) you're taking medications that kill your sex drive
4) You're emotionally shut off
5) Too self-conscious or afraid of rejection
6) Placing too much value on obtaining women

Get in touch what gets you "in the mood" so to speak. If it's dressed up girls that look hot then go after those that get you interested in sex. If a girl does it for you. Then you will want sex regardless of what she looks like.

Looks are the basis for attraction but you need to figure out why you don't connect with girls on a sexual level.

Perhaps you have certain fetishes that can only get you in the mood.
It's numbers 1 and 3 and the last thing you said...certain fetishes that get me in the mood (women with certain types of curves...like I said, which are usually the skanky/hard to get kind.) As I posted in another thread, as much as I'd hate to do it, I'm considering paying via a champange room with a stripper or an escort to hook up with that kind of woman. I'm not an ugly guy at all, but I'm not the type that would get that type of woman's attention even for a one night stand (I don't have that "look" they like and never will, and am not rich/have a high status job/connections either.)

I have no problem attracting attractive women, but the only time I was ever even glanced at (other than to be made fun of) by a skanky/high-maintenance hot type was when I was walking around with my attractive gf at the time.
 

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What I want, after doing some thinking, is a fun time. The last girl i dated, she wasn't ugly and we clicked personality wise, but she was very shy/nerdy/prudy...looked at me as if I were a criminal for wanting to kiss her at the end of our 3rd date (needless to say that was our last date by my choice.)

What I want in the future is a gf that I'm attracted to/turned on by and click with...but that's not necessary at the moment.

I want to at the very least if I can't get sex with a girl (since women are picky about "giving out the pvssy") make out/fool around/hook up.

I just have no idea where I'd meet such a girl 1.)Attracted to, 2.)Is a physical/sexual person.

I'm also kind of cynical because my friends who sarge much more than me and are better looking than me have difficulty even getting a second date/meetup. It seems young women just want to go on a lunch/dinner/coffee date, "talk" and that's sex to them and then just move on to the next guy.

I'm strongly considering paying for a champange room or escort because I don't see any other way to get a girl who is attractive and will put out quickly and not make you feel inhuman for wanting action.
 

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Maybe you gay bro. Try going to a gay club and dancing with some cute guys and if you like it then problem solved.
 

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If you read the last part, I'm definitely attracted to women and want to get some with women but am jaded by the cost of getting it (taking loads of rejections before getting a "yes.") Have friends much better looking (to women) than myself and better game etc. that get the numbers then like a lot of guys on this site get a first date and the girl flakes and he doesn't get any either.

Then you hear stories about that guy that went to Amsterdam on here and lost his v card in a 3some to two hotties and then another hottie in the morning, and it makes paying not seem like a bad idea.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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