"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Don't be like these guys!!!!!

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First and foremost this could be kinda long, but at the end of the post you will be just as pissed at these two guy as I am. These are two completely different guys in completley different situations but are both completley AFC.

Guy #1 He has been dating this girl for about a year now. Their relationship has been anything but perfect. You see this girl before they had even knew each other had fvckd around with all of his friends and was know for being guarenteed head, which should had been a red flag from the start. In the beginning of their relationship they both cheated on each other a lot and knew about it and fought about it alot, now why they stayed together, I don't know. But anyway, they eventually stopped cheating, well at least he did. You see about this same time last year she got pregnate. The thing about the pregnacy is there were(and still are)three possible fathers of the child. My friend(who is Guy #1 if you didn't know)her ex-boyfriend, and some other random dude. She even tells him that she doesn't know for sure, but he sticks around anyway. He also refuses to have a blood test because he knows that there is a very good chance that it isn't his and he doesn't want to know for sure. Anyway, she has also told him that she would break up with him if her ex ever came back, but yet he stays. He will do exactly as she says no arguements and she knows that she has him completly whipped. Well what completly makes me sick about him is that last night he proposed to her and she said yes. Now what I am wondering is what would make you want to spend the rest of your life with someone like this. Oh yeah, and it's not like he can't get chicks cuz he used to be a total DJ(He has slept with like 15 girls.) But enough about him lets move to guy #2

Guy #2 This guy was AFC from the start, he was always about the gifts and poetry and is just a total nice guy. He isn't a very good looking guy either so mix that with a bad approach and you know the results. But anyway, he meets this girl at work, and she falls for the nice guy routine.(you'll have that every now and then.) Well, they are dating for a couple months with no problems when thing get stupid. She breaks up with him for hanging out with us when she wanted to hang out with him. Well he then says ok it is over we are done. Wrong!!! He calls her that night and they get back together. Well a few weeks go by and she breaks up with him again, this time for not having enough sex. He says it is over again, but he calls her and gets back together. The most recent break up was because he wouldn't have sex without a condom. He says it is over, but it isn't. His excuse is that she has mental problems and he has to take care of her.

Well at this point I'm sick of it and I have decided that I am not talking to him again until they break up, cuz I am sick of hearing about their disfunctional relationship. Oh yeah, she also told him that he took her virginity, but later finds out he didn't, but he still stayed with her. So my question is why do guys like this exist, why can they not grow a pair and just end it and save themselves some pain. Oh well it's their lives not mine. Give some feedback and tell me how sick you are at this



"A drunk chicks actions are a sober chicks thoughts."
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'm not sure why you are getting worked up over other people's problems? Don't you have enough to deal with in your own life?

These guys are friends of yours - if you don't like being their friends anymore then find other ones. Its that simple. Friends come and go through life so find ones more on your wavelength if thats the problem.

Don't get involved in other people's relationships - its none of your business.
 

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Oh, i dont care, the reason I said that I'm not gonna talk to guy# 2 anymore is cuz he always calls me whining when she breaks up with him and I get sick of hearing about it. And guy#1, I don't support his situation, but I never say anything about him about it, it is his life, he does whatever he wants. I just posted to see what everyone thought of the respective situations.
 

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This is the best advice you will ever get.

Get away from these guys they are self destructive you don’t need people like this in your life.

At first it’s hard then it becomes easy 3 weeks ago i got rid of all my AFC self destructive friends who were holding me back.

Now I am a changed man within a week i made new DJ friends and i got a HB9.5 gf i owe this all to ****ing off my old friends.

he was always about the gifts and poetry and is just a total nice guy.
And who said there’s anything wrong with writing poems. Sometimes its good to do something like that women like it.

Im not saying go total AFC and write her a poem every week. You write a poem and leave it laying someplace you know she will find it. Not to any girl just to GFs the more romantic type girls.

Anyway each to their own BUT GET RID OF YOUR FRIENDS they are holding you back.
 

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"A drunk chicks actions are a sober chicks thoughts."

haha i like that.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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obviously they cant be good friends and you cant be that great of a person, black italian, to just get rid of your friends like that.


My friends are all really bad AFC's. One is a 21 yr old virgin, another sticks around w/ this ugly g/f he's had since high school, one is really goofy and thinks playing the '21 question game' around girls will get him laid. One won't even approach girls.


They're great guys in general though. They dont hold me back when i get girls b/c they're not around when I do it. Obviously its frustrating when you want to go to a bar w/ AFC's, but I've known them for about 6 yrs or so.

But you know what ? Even w/ all that **** i deal with they're great friends, and I wouldnt trade them for anyone else........you know why ? B/c they're FU#KING FRIENDS.


Rethink your actions black. Changing your life around, and getting yourself new friends just to get girls is absolutely pathetic.

Instead, why dont u build up your confidence, and work on your 'game', work on your values. That will impress a girl a hell of a lot more than cool friends.
 

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DJ @ 15?

Dude, I'm probably around 50 chicks and I'm still a chump. Sleeping with a whopping 15 women does not make one a master of females by any means. I would've hit 15 this year if I weren't waiting for the 90 day mark after exposure to take my HIV test.

Really a guy could only sleep with 15 chicks and be a "sort of DJ" I guess. He could just be highly selective and only do 10s. Howeve, having slept with 15 dogs doesn't mean anything. I've slept with 20 or 30 hotties and I'm still a chump. The others were kind of ugly, fat, or had some other issue. lol
 

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Originally posted by Wiesman44
obviously they cant be good friends and you cant be that great of a person, black italian, to just get rid of your friends like that.


My friends are all really bad AFC's. One is a 21 yr old virgin, another sticks around w/ this ugly g/f he's had since high school, one is really goofy and thinks playing the '21 question game' around girls will get him laid. One won't even approach girls.


They're great guys in general though. They dont hold me back when i get girls b/c they're not around when I do it. Obviously its frustrating when you want to go to a bar w/ AFC's, but I've known them for about 6 yrs or so.

But you know what ? Even w/ all that **** i deal with they're great friends, and I wouldnt trade them for anyone else........you know why ? B/c they're FU#KING FRIENDS.


Rethink your actions black. Changing your life around, and getting yourself new friends just to get girls is absolutely pathetic.

Instead, why dont u build up your confidence, and work on your 'game', work on your values. That will impress a girl a hell of a lot more than cool friends.
What is it with SoSuave.com people and assumptions? Don’t make assumptions you don’t know the whole story and I couldn’t be bothered explain it. PLUS im the most important person in my life so if my friends are holding me back and making life generally harder for me I am right to get rid of them. I should jeopardize my relationships/social life because of there depressive mood swings and problems no way in the world. They were good friends they were Best friends but i decided not to hit bottom with them.
 

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Originally posted by Black_Italian
They were good friends they were Best friends but i decided not to hit bottom with them.
damn that's some cold *ish well we all got our own probz friends come n go but if you dropped "good friends" like dat all because dey wasn't gettin chicks like you? Everybody can't be a DJ you should have atleast try to help your AFC Friends black but hey who said you didn't...

Dat some cold sh*t though i tell you that o well it's a cruel world.:rolleyes:
 

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ok ill tell the story........

This guy my best friend got to a stage were whenever we went out on the rare occasion the he would come out he would always be negative and winge.

If i talked to a girl hed be like "lets get out of here man" "hurry up" then he would say something to annoy her and she would argue and walk away.

Then another time there was this HB9 waiting in line at a club we line up behind her and my friend is like "she is so hot omg glamma i want her". We get into the club he drinks a bit he decides to approach she rejects him. After a while I approach and i get her we start kissing ect ect day later i say that girl i got was hot he says with a serious look on his face:

"She was ugly what are you talking about she was 5/10 at best I wouldn’t fu*k her"

The final straw is we were going clubing and 2 hours before we leave he calls me and says hes got church tomorrow because some important priest from America/Chicago was here and he has to go. Asif he found out 2 hours prior to going out that some important pries was here.

So that is now I don’t associate with him anymore he is negative and cause problems for me. My new friends are better.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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BI maybe you should show him sosuave and he can get better from his AFCness. The guy you described is MAJOR afc he needs help bad.
 

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i tried but he is beyond help and all the other guys decide to stick with him because they know him since primary school.

They know me less so i ****ed them all of 1 week later i made three bettrr friends. I still gou some of my old friends guys that are afcs but are still cool guys.
 

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Ayo dat dude sounds like a B*tch a straight up Pu***

I Had a friend like dat in highschool he was a buzzkill when we went out somewhere we tried to holla at some girls and he would always say "Man I gotta get home we aint got time"
Dat Relationship with that friend sounded thin....Those guys end up marrying the chick you turned down 3 years ago...at your moms Company picnic.. if you get my drift.
 

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"A drunk chicks actions are a sober chicks thoughts."

That's great man
 

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Originally posted by MercutioTHEGREAT
Ayo dat dude sounds like a B*tch a straight up Pu***

I Had a friend like dat in highschool he was a buzzkill when we went out somewhere we tried to holla at some girls and he would always say "Man I gotta get home we aint got time"
Dat Relationship with that friend sounded thin....Those guys end up marrying the chick you turned down 3 years ago...at your moms Company picnic.. if you get my drift.
Yeh i know exactly what you mean. This guys change was recent anyway i was good friends with him because he use to be cool but then he changed.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Originally posted by zzirf25
So my question is why do guys like this exist, why can they not grow a pair and just end it and save themselves some pain.
The problem with AFC behavior is that every once in awhile, it's rewarded (as your friend has discovered). If acting like an AFC brought on non-stop punishment, most guys would get smart. But it's those little rewards that screw their minds up and cause them to continue their lame behavior.
 
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