"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Done dating girls under 20

The Sperminator

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Is it just mean or does it seem like every girl under 20 are extremely immature and just love to play stupid games. Sorry but high school is over time to grow up. I don't about you guys but I'm done with girls under 20 even if shes really hot. Almost every single one of them are the same. Yeah I know there are exceptions but I'm not going to take that risk anymore.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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The Sperminator said:
Is it just mean or does it seem like every girl under 20 are extremely immature and just love to play stupid games. Sorry but high school is over time to grow up. I don't about you guys but I'm done with girls under 20 even if shes really hot. Almost every single one of them are the same. Yeah I know there are exceptions but I'm not going to take that risk anymore.
I smell rejection...
 

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Well I went out on a few dates with her. I actually said before that I didn't really want to date anyone under 20 but I went against my normal judgement and did it anyways. Well basically she basically started acted all stupid all of a sudden. She was cool at first but then started acting all *****y and cold towards me. I was thinking maybe she was just having a bad day but then she kept on doing that and acted like she wasn't interested in me anymore. I didn't really care though to be honest she was really boring but attractive. So then I didn't call her anymore, then a week later she calls me and starts saying that I'm an ******* and blah blah. So I was like your the one acting all stupid. Then I said don't ever call me again and hung up. She called again and apologized but I was like it's too late. Every single young girl thinks it is necessary to play hard to get or to go hot and cold on you. I don't get it really. Why do they need to play dumb games. I have better things to do.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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The Sperminator said:
I'm done with girls under 20 even if shes really hot..
I'll take 'em - if they are above legal constraints!!! You'll change your tune once they are older and 200 pounds of flesh-eating bacteria!!!
 

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I'll take them too. I never understand people who like older chicks. The young ones are enthusiatic and freaky while older ones won't do anything unless you have the benjamins. My exp anyway.

This has got to be the best site ever. I've literally been on the ground laughing at some stories posted. The best one I read was the guy who used the word "submissive" eight times in one paragraph when he was trying to give advice, and another person replied "Jesus, do you want a slave or a girlfriend?" LOLOL. I'm still laughing at that one while I'm typing this.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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you don't date women under 21... you **** women under 21 and let some other miserable guy play the pillow
 

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DonJuan11 said:
I'll take them too. I never understand people who like older chicks. The young ones are enthusiatic and freaky while older ones won't do anything unless you have the benjamins. My exp anyway.

This has got to be the best site ever. I've literally been on the ground laughing at some stories posted. The best one I read was the guy who used the word "submissive" eight times in one paragraph when he was trying to give advice, and another person replied "Jesus, do you want a slave or a girlfriend?" LOLOL. I'm still laughing at that one while I'm typing this.
I dated a woman who was older. I never slept with her, but she was pretty passionate. If you're just looking at the sexual issues, I've read in several places that I man's sexual peaks are at 20 something. A woman's is at 30 something.

Plus, a woman in her 30's might be a little more stable in the head. They've got more money, they tend to have a bit more figured out about who they are. There's something to be said for an older woman. "Don't knock it till you've tried it." Heh.

The older woman didn't care about money. If I date a woman successfully, then there's no way in hell I'd be concerned that she'd be dating me for my money. I dated a 19 year old when I was 21 I realized that she was trying to date me in order to get me to buy her gifts. She went out with me because a friend oof mine who set us up thought I was wealthy and told her that (I'm was an animations student at the time... silly women, thinking I had money... Joke was on them :crackup:).

Actually, I'd probably have a tougher time with a woman under 20, (but at the same time, I wouldn't be quite so quick to turn down a 19 year old with a working brain).
 

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girls under 20 - dont date them

just fvck them - that's their purpose
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I'm with the thread-maker and backbreaker on this one. Young girls are just too immature to bother with seriously. If you can find some horish freshman you want to sex that's one thing, but my experiences with young ladies have been largely negative. You usually can't get into a real relationship with them -- and if you can, it's probably not going to be a real healthy one.

Of course, I'd very much like to be proven wrong...
 

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mmmh, tonight im over at the house of a 19 year old girl- we watch a dvd...im nervous as **** and i share the concerns of the threadstarter.

if you guys have some good advice feel free to share it with me
 

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there's nothing to be nervous about. Just don't expect a serious relationship to evolve -- because it probably won't.

Stay in the moment and have fun.
 

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DonJuan11 said:
I'll take them too. I never understand people who like older chicks. The young ones are enthusiatic and freaky while older ones won't do anything unless you have the benjamins. My exp anyway.

This has got to be the best site ever. I've literally been on the ground laughing at some stories posted. The best one I read was the guy who used the word "submissive" eight times in one paragraph when he was trying to give advice, and another person replied "Jesus, do you want a slave or a girlfriend?" LOLOL. I'm still laughing at that one while I'm typing this.

well that's because you suck DonJuan. Unfinished men get unfinished women
 

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Young girls (most) are always going to be like that. I could never DATE one, and you dont. I know one that is full of energy, seems like she'd be the kinky type, and great to fool around with, but nothing more. Especially the younger ones. The high school ones are too caught up in that bullsh*t game stuff.

I just like to fvck around with them. It gets em going, and they know you want them and vice versa. I could swipe one out from her boyfriend I work with, if I wanted to date her. But I dont, cause what am I going to do? Go to Prom with her and attend all extra curricular activities she's at? That's why they date guys they go to school with and not older ones like us.

Younger girls like older guys and vice versa, even if they play dumb about it. The thing is too, though they play dumb at that part, they aren't playing dumb on the rest. Some are just dumb.

If that's your thing to stay over a certain age, so be it. No one is stopping you. I was looking at the girls on miss teen USA, and my land those women are hot, and some look WAY older than they are. They all range from 15-18 and if they dont give you a boner, something is wrong with you. But the thing is like we all said... they aren't dating women for older guys. They are get it on women.

If you do find a REALLY intelligent woman that is young, then power to you. You may not want to turn down ALL young ones, because if you find one, you'll go... Oh crap, now I have to take back what I said.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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