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does walking away work if you do it after she's started to lose interest?

drift king

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this young HB i was seeing i tried to make arrangements to see a 3rd time but i kept encountering problems when i phoned her either she was with her family or with her friends in dorms so i had to keep calling back again and again. i finally made arrangements on saturday with her for tonight but i did it nervously.

anyway she flaked but legitimately cos her dad is leaving the country but when i pushed her for a meet up tuesday instead she didn't want to make plans.

through no fault of my own by trying to make arrangements after a flake makes me come across needy. long story short her interest has plummeted.

if you walk away at this time when her interest has dropped i don't see her coming back cos she's already made her mind up that she's losing interest.

if i wait till this weekend to reconnect and try a meet up the next day i think it's already too late?

if i walk away well why would she chase me if her interest is on the decline now?
 

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drift king said:
this young HB i was seeing i tried to make arrangements to see a 3rd time but i kept encountering problems when i phoned her either she was with her family or with her friends in dorms so i had to keep calling back again and again.

i finally made arrangements on saturday with her for tonight but i did it nervously.

anyway she flaked but legitimately cos her dad is leaving the country but when i pushed her for a meet up tuesday instead she didn't want to make plans.

through no fault of my own by trying to make arrangements after a flake makes me come across needy. long story short her interest has plummeted.

if you walk away at this time when her interest has dropped i don't see her coming back cos she's already made her mind up that she's losing interest.

if i wait till this weekend to reconnect and try a meet up the next day i think it's already too late?

if i walk away well why would she chase me if her interest is on the decline now?
Didn't you just ask the same exact question two threads ago?

Why are you so pushy? Is she that hot? She's probably thinking: "If he's this needy and gets angry when I don't agree with him or make plans with him after a few dates, what would he do if we were going out for 6 months and I didn't answer some calls? Kill me?"

Move on and stop bugging her. She could be recording all the calls you are making and handing them over to the police.
 

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I do believe that walking away can work if you sense that she's starting to lose interest,however,you should be giving off the vibe/impression that you could walk off while she's still interested instead of waiting until her interest has started to decline. It would be easier to diagnose what's going on if I knew a few other things first. For example:

1:After you got the number,how long did you wait to call?

2:When you did finally call,what was the conversation like/what did you talk about before you finally asked her out,or did you just call her and straight ask her out without any small talk first?

3:When you asked her out the very fist time,what exactly did she say and how did you respond?

I know that this is a lot to have to remember,but I know that this isn't the first thread you've made about this girl/flaking,so if you keep making threads about the same thing more than once,then I assume that you really want an answer to your situation.
 

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Igetit! said:
I do believe that walking away can work if you sense that she's starting to lose interest,however,you should be giving off the vibe/impression that you could walk off while she's still interested instead of waiting until her interest has started to decline. It would be easier to diagnose what's going on if I knew a few other things first. For example:

1:After you got the number,how long did you wait to call?

2:When you did finally call,what was the conversation like/what did you talk about before you finally asked her out,or did you just call her and straight ask her out without any small talk first?

3:When you asked her out the very fist time,what exactly did she say and how did you respond?

I know that this is a lot to have to remember,but I know that this isn't the first thread you've made about this girl/flaking,so if you keep making threads about the same thing more than once,then I assume that you really want an answer to your situation.
this one only flaked once but i did the afc thing of calling her 10mins after i got the bad news.. i probably wouldn't have called had i not got flaked on by another one i was suppose to meet that day on the phone.

you can see how i felt a bit p1ssed off, i should have just suggested another time by text rather than let her hear my nervous anxious i'm going to lose you desperate tone i get when things are going against me.

then mistake 2 was calling again about half hour later and she didn't pick up, then the icing on the cake was texting her the next day what i originallly should have texted about offering me another time. no reply.

now if i leave it till the weekend it probably won't make a difference cos i'm at the point where her interest has dropped and i'm annoying her.. if i back off won't make an ounce of difference. the only way i can raise interest is via our next phone call reminding her of the reasons why she kissed me on our 2nd date.

right now i so badly want to make that call but i know i have to wait till the weekend at least.. but even then she may have already decided shes not intersted anymore. it's much harder to raise interest then to lose interest.

is there really anything i can do from now till the weekend or will i just come across as too clingy still?
 
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