Does it ever seem fake to you?

[StockTrader]

I had this great realization this week.

From kindergarden until my early 20's, I was the chronic "nice guy". There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it doesn't exactly make girls drool all over you.

Then all of a sudden in the last year and a half, I've learned about DYD, fastseduction and this site and my success with women went through the roof.

The ultimate question isn't how many women you score with, or how many times you run some pattern on a girl.

The question is...."who are you becoming in the process and does it add to your quality of life"?

The other night, I went massively C&F on this one girl (a mexican chick), just waiting to see how turned on she got. She went from nothing to incredibly horny in a few hours. Dominance turned up full blast. Literally cavemaning her. It was hot as hell, but in the back of my mind the next day...I'm like....that was kind of crazy.

You can't be a jerk in your entire life. I have some small businesses, and the nice, funny, friendly and confident guy does well in it. When I'm around friends or family, I'm just relaxed and friendly and it's totally cool. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Your personality starts splitting off in different directions with this stuff. Who are you really? I guess you can have fun with it. But if you've been one of those "chronic nice guys" in the past (which I imagine many of you are), it's a massive shift to be some ultra dominant guy. Some experiences I've had with women don't even seem real. On the Fastseduction site, I remember some of the major PUA's like TD, Mystery, etc had many of the same doubts as to "whether its real".

It's been an interesting journey to say the least.

 

[JustDoItAlways]

There are lots of things that women just find very attractive and appealing, that for some reason, we guys don't feel natural doing and being.

I think deep down, most guys would rather be nice guys. It might even feel fake to be what women consider as a real man, a player.

But, for a better example, women find guys that work out, keep themselves in shape and at the right weight as appealing. So us guys work out and keep ourselves in shape. Maybe you only do it for yourself and not for women.

But is that fake? It would just be easier to eat pizza every night. But we don't. We work on that six-pack instead.

If you want women, you'd better be prepared to do the things that they find attractive and appealing. It is better if you're personally benefiting from those things as well. It is even better if you just naturally do the things that women find appealing.

But they don't like nice guys. They like six-packs. They like ****y and funny.

And I like getting laid.

 

[Rondavu]

When the right girl comes along, she'll appreciate both sides of you. If on your sexual exploits you decide you like a girl a lot, then decide to start feeding her small pieces of your substantive side. Show her that you can be kind. Show her that you can be caring. Show her that you can still please her with your playful side. In my opinion, when you find the right girl, what you've become as a person will be invaluable to her. Dynamic human beings such as yourself are the ones that have long lasting, healthy, happy relationships. I know because I'm living it.

When you're with someone as a life mate, in my opinion you have a responsibility to appeal to their provocative, sexual side first, and then their idealistic and logical side second. You actually need both. Think about it. How many times have you heard about someone in a purely physical relationship, but no substance or vice versa? The immediate attraction is the physical because it is the most important. It's most important because your mates. Mates by definition mate. Eventually she'll explore your substantive side though to investigate whether it's right for her. If not then next. You can't hide it. It's a completely natural part of you and the process. The bottom line is that a lot of the time people settle for one or the other, sexual or substantive, and not a person that integrates both. You have something very rare. Don't change it.

 

[princelydeeds]

I find this to be an interesting discussion. It is a dilemma Im faced with quite often. To be nice or not to be nice, is the question. My mother always told me "If what you're doing isnt getting you what you want, you need to try something else."

Being the nice guy simply never worked. I made lots of friends but practically never got laid. I can't count how many times I took women out, spent a bunch of money, and THOUGHT we had a really nice time and never even get the curtesy of a return phone call. How many times do you have to be hit over the head before you learn that something just doesnt work?

Im not mean and nasty with women but I play the quiet, confident, ****y but humble role very well. I have my way of letting women know they can easily be replaced. Last night I took this exotic looking HB 8.7 (Cape Verdian and French combo) chick out to happy hour with a large group of friends. I have to admit, I was dressed to impress. My exotic girl was all over me, and we had a nice time. I had every woman in the bars eyes on me, I know it wasn't all me it had a lot to do with the fact that they saw me with the exotic chick. My exotic chick was meeting up with her friends, so I took her home early and went back to the bar without her. I got 5 high quality numbers, all of them had seen me previously with the other girl, but not one asked me anything about her.

Women love drama and they are drawn to players. They like guys who have a bunch of women. Had I been alone I probably would have done alright, but the fact I had a straight hottie all over me, only helped. Being the quiet guy in the corner does not work, Lord knows Ive tried that so many times. You can be the good guy all you want. You can live with the failures. I like being successful, that meant changing my game. Every so often I find myself being soft and sentimental but it never works. So I go back to being the confident jerk, and he almost never fails.

 

[StockTrader]

Another question that comes up is....what kind of women am I attracting. At least in California, I've found two very distinct, very different set of beautiful girls.

The typical party/ loud sorority girl. Almost always into drinking, smoking or drugs. I'm not into any of the 3! Usually the wilder and sexier the party girl, the more F*cked up her past has been. Abusive guys, bad relationships, low self esteem, you name it. Not much of a career going. No real substance. That's just not my world.

A beautiful woman with substance! Ahhhh. This is the group I'm focusing on. They are very, very different. There's no wild partying or crazy ways. Their past is usually not filled with alcoholic parents or abusive relationships. Career women with goals, strong values, confident...dare I say sophisticated sometimes. Their style is very different. Think Gwenyth Paltrow vs some typical party girl in low rider jeans. I know a few older women (30-35) who fit in this category, and its a completely different world. You can still be confident, do kino, some C&F, but I'm much more centered and "real". Your maturity comes out. There's depth and more meaning. Intelligence is sexy. And you can still fool around if you play your cards right.


Guys do all kinds of things to attract women. Whether it's buy a cool car, get a great job, work out 7 days a week, whatever the case may be. Those things still have other benefits besides "just to get women". But being an a$$hole just to get girls...there's nothing else to it.

Virtually every woman on TV and in the media fits the first category. Everyone on MTV is just a crazy chick wanting to go wild. It's such BS. There's a huge world out there, and there are tons of really cool and really attractive women that never show up on TV.