Does anyone think the manosphere is negative?

[parkthebus]

The best example is return of kings. I think the biggest site. Majority of posts are "x is wrong with women" "y is wrong with society" "z is wrong with gamergate" (who the f with a life cares about gamergate anyway?)

 

[Young OG]

I just try to stay off that site and other ones like that. I get angry when I read the stuff posted and I don't want to become even more bitter when it comes to women then I already am.

 

[logicallefty]

I have never been on the site Return of Kings. I think the key here is to be honest and objective. Realize that if there are 3.5billion or however many women on the planet, you really can't say they are ALL bad until you meet 100% of them which will never happen. But saying that 100% of the women that you know are cvnts isn't being negative per se if you honestly fell that they are and can articulate factual reasons why they are. I'm pretty safe in saying that 90-95% of the women that I know, I don't fully trust because they have given me reason(s) not to. Call it what you like. Am I negative? That is up to interpretation, but in my world it's a hard fact.

 

[evan12]

That is normal , Manosphere is like hospital, you need it but it have a lot of people with ills and problems .
Manosphere members are usually men with problems especially problems getting women. you will find a lot of frustrated , socially akwared, emotionally depraved men who are looking to have a partner .So you cant really blame a crying injured person why he is in the hospital

 

[YawataNoKami]

The simple answer here is that women are prone to act in life without rationale (evolution I guess) and they will not willingly give up the current system. Female Imperative inflicts virtually all of them (regardless of politics) and as long as Big Democratic Daddy Govt. runs the state, there is no nice way out of it.

Granted, you should be concerned that increasingly more young men will become nihilistic and anarchic in response but unfortunately, empty appeals to honor and morals is simply too little, too late. Let’s not talk about “healthy partnerships” when every law and court is stacked against the male and the tax on his labour is funding this whole charade.


As the culture continues to decline, relationships between men and women will decline with it. Substantive relationships require a lot of work. Commitment, trust, sacrifice, being considerate – the very qualities that are vanishing all around us. The modern anti-men system is eating itself, and it turns out that the first things on its plate are those which make real connection between two people possible, or even desirable. This has happened so rapidly that it’s no longer “alienation, here we come” but rather “alienation, here we are.”

Distrust will only spread and deepen – until we win, that is. Even if many in the gaming community counsel hanging out at poolside, the fact remains that the lion’s share of revolutionaries are young men with little to lose. Men without real status, connection, or a sense of meaning and purpose. Our present society is creating such men by the metric ton. The manosphere is therefore both a product of as well as a facilitator of decline, but also perhaps a facilitator of renewal.

In the long run, the red pill is about far more than just scoring with women. I suspect this is true even if many/most of the main figures involved don’t intend it as such. The process of destruction and renewal has to play itself out.

Nobody is saying that it will be pretty to watch, as destruction can be quite the downer. The sooner we win, the sooner we can get to the good part – renewal.

 

[parkthebus]

God help us if our society is run on "neomasculinity". People lap that up like they're in a cult.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You could complain about society, or you could just understand it, and figure out how to get what you want. The manosphere is largely filled with self-styled philosophers who are angry they can't get what they want by doing what they THINK they should. They're not willing to put in the work required to get what they want, more or less.

Excellent book on a somewhat similar topic called "Vision of the Anointed," by Sowell. There are some that see the world the way it is, and figure out how to get what they want by operating within it. (The "Tragic" View). Then there are those who see the world as "broken" and think it needs to be fixed. (The "Anointed" View).

The manosphere sees a broken world that needs fixing.

And since the WORLD only contains PEOPLE, self-proclaimed manosphere type dudes look out into the world and say:

"People aren't behaving the way I think they should be behaving."


Your job as a human is to provide others with the proper incentives to get them to behave the way you want them to, allowing you to get what you want in the process.

However, cognitive dissonance prevents many from realizing that they simply aren't providing others NEARLY as much incentive as they believe they are.

So they blame SOCIETY (or a segment of it) as being broken, rather than their own skills.

 

[parkthebus]

[QUOTE="samspade, post: 2291300, member: 41192"If you want to make the world a better place, start with yourself.[/QUOTE]

I think you meant, if you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a....CHANGE!

 

[ArcBound]

Do Alcoholic's Anonymous have a lot of Alcoholics?

Do hospitals have a lot of sick patients?

The Manosphere will inherently have a bias towards unhappy people who are bad with women. If they were happy and satisfied with their standing with women, they wouldn't be on a site talking about women.

So I give them some slack. The ones I don't give slack are the ones who post year after year STILL with negativity. You can tell they haven't learned anything or matured as a person. At that point, the Manosphere becomes a meeting hub where they can b!tch with other men.

That being said I have learned SOME things from the manosphere. It can be a source of good advice. You just have to take everything with a grain of salt and verify everything yourself.