Doctors, Lawyers, Dentists

[zekko]

This doesn't have much to do with girls (other than the social factor) but I'm curious about this. For those of you who are doctors, lawyers, or dentists, you are in professions where pretty much everyone knows you are making a lot of money and are usually living a lifestyle that is a class above most everyone else. Do you find that this ever causes problems socially for you? I mean because maybe other people have trouble relating to you or don't feel comfortable around you because you are going to be considered more successful than they are?

Or maybe you just hang around with other people that are as successful as you? Have you found that you have lost any old friends because you have "left them behind" financially?

I know there are some guys here in other professions who probably make as much or more as those listed above. But I'm specifically interested in doctors and lawyers because everyone knows they make a good deal of money (usually). They have that reputation.

 

[amoka]

add ENGINEERS to the list, bro.:rockon:

 

[zekko]

add ENGINEERS to the list, bro.

Too many different kinds of engineers. If you say someone is a doctor you have a pretty good idea of what they do and how much money they make. It's considered a glamorous job for whatever reason, they have a certain reputation.

 

[tihash]

I'm an attorney. I intentionally do not tell chicks what I do when I first meet them unless they ask. I have found that more often than not, you are put into their "good catch" category which results in it being harder to get laid on the front end. They want to make you wait so you think they are good girls even if they would normally be slvts. I often think I would have more ONS and such if I was not an attorney.

Additionally, and this is a problem for attorneys but not doctors, is many people assume you will be an argumentative a$$hole. I have found online dating (do most of my meeting girls in person these days, anyhow) problematic because many people assume you are a jerk. If they meet me IRL, they know my personality fairly quickly and do not assume that.

 

[amoka]

agree with ^^. Got a friend who is a doctor and always gets laid, ONS, by telling the girls he is a soccer coach... haha. and these nutz buy it to.

 

[FutureSpartan]

I'm an attorney. I intentionally do not tell chicks what I do when I first meet them unless they ask. I have found that more often than not, you are put into their "good catch" category which results in it being harder to get laid on the front end. They want to make you wait so you think they are good girls even if they would normally be slvts. I often think I would have more ONS and such if I was not an attorney.

Additionally, and this is a problem for attorneys but not doctors, is many people assume you will be an argumentative a$$hole. I have found online dating (do most of my meeting girls in person these days, anyhow) problematic because many people assume you are a jerk. If they meet me IRL, they know my personality fairly quickly and do not assume that.

Women f*ck the "fun guy with no future" and marry the "boring stable provider" when they want to settle down.

What a sh*tty proposition for young guys like me....you either throw away your future for some pus*y now or study/work hard, be branded "boring and predictable" by women, and look forward to being "husband material" after she's done f*cking the whole football team in her 20s.

 

[Iceberg]

Women f*ck the "fun guy with no future" and marry the "boring stable provider" when they want to settle down.

What a sh*tty proposition for young guys like me....you either throw away your future for some pus*y now or study/work hard, be branded "boring and predictable" by women, and look forward to being "husband material" after she's done f*cking the whole football team in her 20s.

Meh. It's hard to brand people based on their careers.

I have doctor friends who smoke weed and party. They aren't 100% business all the time. They're regular guys who happen to pursue a career in medicine. It sounds simple, but everything comes down to your individual personality.

And maybe this isn't anti-feminist enough for the guys on this board, but it's 2010. Women are out making their own money...they're not gonna marry some boring doctor just because he's making money. If you're finding that the girls you date only want you for your money and predictability, then stop picking up Wal-Mart cashiers and waitresses.

So in summary: if you're boring and predictable, yeah... you're not going to attract lots of the fun, spontaneous girls you want to have ONS with. But what we cannot do is blame our problems on the world. It starts with us. If you're fun, and outgoing, you'll attract women (or people in general) who are the same. You're in complete control of this. Trust me on that. If you suck as a person, then you'll attract sucky women.

I was boring. I was predictable. Basically, I sucked. And guess what...I attracted women who sucked. When I loosened up, pursued hobbies, had fun with life....I got a variety of girls from ONS to LTRs with cool chicks (with a couple losers in between of course). All this before I had a good career and during it...If you fail, it ain't gonna be your job holding you back. It'll be you.

 

[Miles28]

I'm an attorney. It's slightly off topic but I will say that I don't think it actually helps when trying to get laid. The initial reaction is always 'Wow, that's a great job', but it doesn't seem to go much further than that. I've seen women react much more to guys that said they were surfers or rugby players.

This isn't just me either, I see the same with other young professionals. Women always act impressed initially (unless they're professionals too in which case it has no impact) but in the end I don't think it helps get a woman into bed. As someone posted above I agree that it is more likely to attract women that think 'marriage material' than 'one night stand' material. At the moment I definitely want the latter. I'd much rather take a girl home that night than have to go on 3 or 4 dates with her. Pretty disillusioning when you've worked so hard to get here!

Although of course I agree that it's not necessarily a barrier to having a ONS either, I'm just saying I don't think it helps.

 

[synergy1]

Too many different kinds of engineers. If you say someone is a doctor you have a pretty good idea of what they do and how much money they make. It's considered a glamorous job for whatever reason, they have a certain reputation.

right, and a lot of people who just say they are an engineer, and aren't the real deal. When asked I usually just spell it out which in my case is mechanical engineer. Most Mech E's don't start out very high, but they can peak pretty well. If you are talking about consulting, we can blow doctors, dentists and lawyers out of the water and work half the time. if you have that knack, you can become a patent lawyer with an M.E degree too. A bit of a digression.

I find that talking with anyone who are the professions you mentioned is more exciting than your generic person. They are smarter, more learned, and overall just have more to offer by ways of interesting conversation. Likewise, if I start chating with a random girl and say what I do ( usually make something up initially just to have some fun), their eyes lighten up.

I love the folks who think in Binary here. For instance, if you are a good career, than you are a boring safe person. Way to jump to conclusions! Just because I know how to do diff EQ and rocket science doesn't make me a square. I actually know a lot of dumb guys who act the role of the safe provider more so than I. In this case, people who are actually smart can have their cake and eat it too

 

[morepoonplease]

Women f*ck the "fun guy with no future" and marry the "boring stable provider" when they want to settle down.

What a sh*tty proposition for young guys like me....you either throw away your future for some pus*y now or study/work hard, be branded "boring and predictable" by women, and look forward to being "husband material" after she's done f*cking the whole football team in her 20s.

:crackup: LMFAO, dude... that was priceless.

 

[Desert Fox]

It's a choice.

Some people choose women over their careers. Some choose careers over banging tons of women when they're young. It comes down to choice.

And to preemptive shutdown all those that say you can have both just as easily:

We have a limited about of time in a day. 24 hours. 1 hour spent here cannot be spent elsewhere. Becoming a doc/lawyer requires a certain amount of time not chasing girls and going drinking every weekend. You will simply have less opportunities to get laid than the average frat kid who doesn't really think about his future until its staring him in the face.

I have friends like that. They enjoy college to the fullest, bang tons of hot chicks, smoke and drink to their hearts content. If they want to go somewhere for a weekend they go do it. Carpe diem they say. Even if they're broke they go to vegas and lose even more money. But they come back carefree as ever and still happy.

I have other friends that are basically nerds and study probably 80 hours a week. They will have very lucrative jobs in econ or medicine or law, but I can't say I've ever seen them with women or even really hang out with any in a social setting. They are also very miserable and high strung 90% of the time.

But that's their way of life. Not everyone is the same, not everyone follows the same path. It all really depends on your personality and what you deem should be the path of your life.

As far as being a doc/lawyer, it helps in the sense that the girl will be like "hey he has a stable job." But nothing more really. It's more about what you want to do with your life. Don't just be a doc/lawyer because it will get chicks because when it doesn't you'll be pretty miserable.

 

[Miles28]

I have to agree with DesertFox, sadly.

Working as an attorney in a big law firm the horrible observation I have to make is that 95% of my colleagues are nerds who spend most of their time working in the office. Most of the older guys are married to UGLY women and are about as AFC as it gets. They seem to find fulfillment in their work but personally I think it's just a substitute for not getting good *****. The younger guys are all in serious relationships (again generally with very average girls who are getting worse by the year) because they don't have the time or game to chase women.

I'm doing my best to buck the trend. I generally try to take on as little work as possible (while still doing a decent job with the work I'm given) and leave myself weekends free to go out and chase women like crazy. I make mad cash so there's no problem with buying clothes, going out, etc, but as it's often been pointed out on here it's not necessary (or desirable) to spend money on women to get laid.

I think being a doctor/lawyer or whatever makes it easier to get into relationships with educated women looking for a stable woman. But it doesn't help get lots of random, no strings action.

Goddamit.

 

[FutureSpartan]

It's a choice.

Some people choose women over their careers. Some choose careers over banging tons of women when they're young. It comes down to choice.

And to preemptive shutdown all those that say you can have both just as easily:

We have a limited about of time in a day. 24 hours. 1 hour spent here cannot be spent elsewhere. Becoming a doc/lawyer requires a certain amount of time not chasing girls and going drinking every weekend. You will simply have less opportunities to get laid than the average frat kid who doesn't really think about his future until its staring him in the face.

I have friends like that. They enjoy college to the fullest, bang tons of hot chicks, smoke and drink to their hearts content. If they want to go somewhere for a weekend they go do it. Carpe diem they say. Even if they're broke they go to vegas and lose even more money. But they come back carefree as ever and still happy.

I have other friends that are basically nerds and study probably 80 hours a week. They will have very lucrative jobs in econ or medicine or law, but I can't say I've ever seen them with women or even really hang out with any in a social setting. They are also very miserable and high strung 90% of the time.

But that's their way of life. Not everyone is the same, not everyone follows the same path. It all really depends on your personality and what you deem should be the path of your life.

As far as being a doc/lawyer, it helps in the sense that the girl will be like "hey he has a stable job." But nothing more really. It's more about what you want to do with your life. Don't just be a doc/lawyer because it will get chicks because when it doesn't you'll be pretty miserable.

Exactly.....I lived with my parents all throughout college, worked a part-time job to help pay for school and studied a rigorus program so I could get a solid career to support myself. There was no time and money for me to devote all my attention to being Mr. Party Like a Rockstar.

I didnt have money for crazy weekend trips, or nice clothes, or running up tabs at bars every weekend. How was I supposed to compete with guys who lived to party (on their student loan money of course) and could offer more excitement to an impressionable college girl than I ever could?

And I agree with Desert, most of my classmates who were in the rigorous academic programs like pre-medicine, math, engineering, and accounting had a hard time dating or were in serious relationships. Like a replay of high school, women threw themselves at the fraternity and MMA guys majoring in mickey mouse programs like communications or business management.

 

[Miles28]

FutureSpartan,

Too true. I kind of feel like I was conned as well. In movies, TV shows, etc the women are always hot to trot for doctors and lawyers.

Don't get me wrong I still do pretty well with girls but I think it's in spite of and not because of the fact that I'm a lawyer.

The think for me is that I get more fulfillment from chasing girls at the moment than from spending hours in the office drafting documents.

A lot of my friends are very motivated by money but I don't see the point. So they're going to live in a big house with an ugly woman instead of a small house with an ugly woman. They can drive around in an expensive car with their hideous girlfriend rather than a cheap car. A lot of these guys really do seem to be AFCs too and take a lot of **** off their girlfriends or wives.

I like having a lot of disposable income but I don't want to spend it the same way these guys do. One pretty cool thing is having a nice big bachelor pad I suppose. The chicks tend to like that.

 

[BigJimbo]

American women don't need you boys for money. Sorry, just the way it is. That is why girls kick soccer balls and wear flip-flops and shorts to the mall. They just don't need you. Hell, in Ukraine the girls are gorgeous and dress to kill to impress a guy like myself. They need me. In America I would be stuck jerking off to East European porn.

Most professional men in America marry a professional women. Long gone are the days when doctors would hit on candy stripers or date new nursing school students. By the looks of young nurses in America I wouldn't hit on them either.

My point is that you are f----. Look at Tiger Woods. Dude got older ugly prostitutes and porn star types. America is where you meet your end. My advice is to try out your gay side. America is HEAVEN for those who like butt fun.

 

[FutureSpartan]

FutureSpartan,

Too true. I kind of feel like I was conned as well. In movies, TV shows, etc the women are always hot to trot for doctors and lawyers.

Don't get me wrong I still do pretty well with girls but I think it's in spite of and not because of the fact that I'm a lawyer.

The think for me is that I get more fulfillment from chasing girls at the moment than from spending hours in the office drafting documents.

A lot of my friends are very motivated by money but I don't see the point. So they're going to live in a big house with an ugly woman instead of a small house with an ugly woman. They can drive around in an expensive car with their hideous girlfriend rather than a cheap car. A lot of these guys really do seem to be AFCs too and take a lot of **** off their girlfriends or wives.

I like having a lot of disposable income but I don't want to spend it the same way these guys do. One pretty cool thing is having a nice big bachelor pad I suppose. The chicks tend to like that.

I see the same thing at the accounting firm I work at, guys making solid to great income chained by their nothing to write home about wives/girlfriends. The two top partners at my firm have been married and divorced at least 3 times. If that is what I should expect in my dating life because i am now a "stable man" I will do my best to avoid projecting that image at all costs.

 

[Lexington]

I am currently a med student, so I have no money.....talk to me in a few years!

You're always going to be around people who are more successful and less successful than you are. I don't think it matters if you're a doctor, dentist, lawyer etc. How a person reacts to it all depends on his/her personality.

My closest friends are still my buds from high school and college. They've all gone on to do a lot of different things. I've made some close friends in med school too, but I'll always be closer to the folks I grew up with.

 

[Lexington]

American women don't need you boys for money. Sorry, just the way it is. That is why girls kick soccer balls and wear flip-flops and shorts to the mall. They just don't need you. Hell, in Ukraine the girls are gorgeous and dress to kill to impress a guy like myself. They need me. In America I would be stuck jerking off to East European porn.

Most professional men in America marry a professional women. Long gone are the days when doctors would hit on candy stripers or date new nursing school students. By the looks of young nurses in America I wouldn't hit on them either.

My point is that you are f----. Look at Tiger Woods. Dude got older ugly prostitutes and porn star types. America is where you meet your end. My advice is to try out your gay side. America is HEAVEN for those who like butt fun.

Don't worry, we could always get us a Ukrainian wh0re if we wanted. I could order one off the internet even.

 

[Iceberg]

I didnt have money for crazy weekend trips, or nice clothes, or running up tabs at bars every weekend. How was I supposed to compete with guys who lived to party (on their student loan money of course) and could offer more excitement to an impressionable college girl than I ever could?

Yeah. Keep telling yourself that it's only drunks and rich boys who go out and meet women in college. Most of my social circle in college...like 90% of them...worked part time to make extra money. And they STILL made time to meet people. Whether it was joining clubs or concerts, or frats, or sports.

It doesn't take crazy weekend trips or nice clothes. It takes being a cool, social person. You didn't have to burn your school books and ignore your studying...you just had to make time to interact with people.

And I agree with Desert, most of my classmates who were in the rigorous academic programs like pre-medicine, math, engineering, and accounting had a hard time dating or were in serious relationships. Like a replay of high school, women threw themselves at the fraternity and MMA guys majoring in mickey mouse programs like communications or business management.

I love how you totally ignored my earlier post because it offered a different perspective from what you were saying.

If your life sucks, it's because you're making it suck. Don't blame jobs or college majors for YOUR lack of success with women. You were in control of those things and you f**ked up.

Correct. If you don't make time go out and socialize, then obviously no women is going to make time to socialize with you.

You chose studying/working and feeling sorry for yourself over meeting people. And now you're judging the men who DID build success in their social lives by criticizing their majors, how they paid for college...and calling them "Mr Party Like a Rockstar." You never had to party like a rock star...you just had to be fun to be around. My brother's an engineering major, my best friend's a doctor, and my ex is a lawyer. We ALL had active social lives in addition to being successful in school and careers.

Stop trying to deflect the blame by placing it on outside factors. You did it to yourself and now you have to fix it.

 

[Lexington]

I have to agree with DesertFox, sadly.

Working as an attorney in a big law firm the horrible observation I have to make is that 95% of my colleagues are nerds who spend most of their time working in the office. Most of the older guys are married to UGLY women and are about as AFC as it gets. They seem to find fulfillment in their work but personally I think it's just a substitute for not getting good *****. The younger guys are all in serious relationships (again generally with very average girls who are getting worse by the year) because they don't have the time or game to chase women.

I'm doing my best to buck the trend. I generally try to take on as little work as possible (while still doing a decent job with the work I'm given) and leave myself weekends free to go out and chase women like crazy. I make mad cash so there's no problem with buying clothes, going out, etc, but as it's often been pointed out on here it's not necessary (or desirable) to spend money on women to get laid.

I think being a doctor/lawyer or whatever makes it easier to get into relationships with educated women looking for a stable woman. But it doesn't help get lots of random, no strings action.

Goddamit.

By the same token though, how many really drop dead gorgeous women would you actually want to marry? Be honest.

There are lots of really beautiful women that I'd love to fvck. But would I want to marry them....HELL NO! They'd make awful mothers and no matter how hot any woman is, sex is going to be less fun after you've fvcked her 200+ times. The novelty wears off. Their looks are a depreciating asset too. So they'd better bring something else to the table besides looks.

The unfortunate truth is that most women with million dollar looks also have bargain basement personalities. It's only natural. They've become used to guys kissing their asses and bending over backwards for them all their lives. Hell, other girls kiss their asses all day, every day too. And it's not because of something they've accomplished or because of their personality, it's because they were fortunate enough to be born with great looks.