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Anybody tried this? Also, thanks to RKTek for recommending it.
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Doc Love - The System. Worth the money?
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
everywomanshero
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My thoughts
There is a lot of people on this forum, intelligent people, who like his material. I have listened to some of his audio advice. I personally find Doc Love's advice conflicts with what has worked for me. It could just be that certain people are closer to his personality type, so maybe it works better for them.
There is a lot of people on this forum, intelligent people, who like his material. I have listened to some of his audio advice. I personally find Doc Love's advice conflicts with what has worked for me. It could just be that certain people are closer to his personality type, so maybe it works better for them.
SeldomSeen
Senior Don Juan
RE:
if you do enough research online, read a few ebooks like 'Double Your Dating' and 'The Art of Seduction' and what not you'll eventually find the same things: essays on confidence, being a challenge, being a little resistant, charm and charisma etc. In other words it may be good but there's other material for less money just as good.
if you do enough research online, read a few ebooks like 'Double Your Dating' and 'The Art of Seduction' and what not you'll eventually find the same things: essays on confidence, being a challenge, being a little resistant, charm and charisma etc. In other words it may be good but there's other material for less money just as good.
I_Only_Live_Once
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Doc Love is useless.
Doc Love is useful ONLY as beginner material for the recovering AFC who may be just getting started. Doc concentrates more on hard-and-fast rules such as "wait seven days to call, be a challenge, have confidence" etc, without getting into the deeper reasons why these rules are so. He just attaches these concepts to his "Reality Factor" which if denied will cause "pain." Fair enough, but to really improve yourself, a reader need to know WHY these rules are true.
However, having some hard-and-fast rules can be temporarily helpful for newbies who would for example call a girl too quickly out of desperation. Of course, there are instances where you can call in less than a week with the right mental frame, but Doc doesn't take this into account.
Additionally, Doc's stuff is getting dated, and in my opinion his "Sal The Fish" schtick and his infamous photo with the poodle and vanity plate only serve to damage his credibility. Not to mention, his Dating Dictionary has no flow whatsoever and is essentially an alphabetical rambling of his theories.
At this point the System is just a cash cow for him and he has no fresh contributions to add to the community, as evidenced by his three "Mastery Series" which are primarily just reprints of his existing and freely available Q&A articles.
Doc was my first step into the seduction world when I had my "ah ha" moment almost five years ago and realized that the one thing in common with all of my dating failures was me. Doc's stuff gave me my first steps out. There are some good ideas and rules in there, and despite my criticisms I do recommend the System, but as I mentioned, only for the absolute beginner. Read it, get the useful stuff out, but after slugging it through the Dictionary, DO NOT stop your reading there, or you are not reaching your potential.
In my opinion, it's primary strength and it's immediate benefit is learning how to flush out insincere women who will take advantage of you. I believe for someone getting started this is the most important defensive skill to learn. Once that shield is up around the heart (and wallet) the real work can begin.
David D has obviously much better and deeper stuff, and the evolutionary psychology books he sources such as Mating Mind, Red Queen, Selfish Gene, Sperm Wars, etc, really get to the absolute core of why the game works as it does. My view of the social and dating world has permanently changed as a result of those reads, and I have far more perception and control over my own destiny. Doc can or will not provide this level of understanding.
However, having some hard-and-fast rules can be temporarily helpful for newbies who would for example call a girl too quickly out of desperation. Of course, there are instances where you can call in less than a week with the right mental frame, but Doc doesn't take this into account.
Additionally, Doc's stuff is getting dated, and in my opinion his "Sal The Fish" schtick and his infamous photo with the poodle and vanity plate only serve to damage his credibility. Not to mention, his Dating Dictionary has no flow whatsoever and is essentially an alphabetical rambling of his theories.
At this point the System is just a cash cow for him and he has no fresh contributions to add to the community, as evidenced by his three "Mastery Series" which are primarily just reprints of his existing and freely available Q&A articles.
Doc was my first step into the seduction world when I had my "ah ha" moment almost five years ago and realized that the one thing in common with all of my dating failures was me. Doc's stuff gave me my first steps out. There are some good ideas and rules in there, and despite my criticisms I do recommend the System, but as I mentioned, only for the absolute beginner. Read it, get the useful stuff out, but after slugging it through the Dictionary, DO NOT stop your reading there, or you are not reaching your potential.
In my opinion, it's primary strength and it's immediate benefit is learning how to flush out insincere women who will take advantage of you. I believe for someone getting started this is the most important defensive skill to learn. Once that shield is up around the heart (and wallet) the real work can begin.
David D has obviously much better and deeper stuff, and the evolutionary psychology books he sources such as Mating Mind, Red Queen, Selfish Gene, Sperm Wars, etc, really get to the absolute core of why the game works as it does. My view of the social and dating world has permanently changed as a result of those reads, and I have far more perception and control over my own destiny. Doc can or will not provide this level of understanding.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
It is so outdated it is almost worthless.
I bought it around a year ago, and promptly returned it under his money-back guarantee.
I did not even finish reading it.
His advice on phone game was written prior to the advent of cell phones and caller ID. I shyt you not. How can this guy live with himself when he is selling such out-of-date material?
His advice may be better for an AFC than nothing at all. But if you made it to sosuave or ASF, you don't need Doc Love.
I was so disappointed I wrote him a letter telling him he really needed to update his book. Of course, he never responded.
Also, perhaps most important of all, if you read his articles on sosuave or askmen.com, it is apparent they are written by a different person than they person who wrote his "System" book.
Finally, the "System" is not a system at all. It is written like a hokey encyclopedia, with subjects in aplhabetical order. There is no logical flow to it whatsoever.
If he did not have a money-back guarantee, I'd say it was a rip-off. But he does, and he honored it, so I give him props for that. He is an honest businessman.
I bought it around a year ago, and promptly returned it under his money-back guarantee.
I did not even finish reading it.
His advice on phone game was written prior to the advent of cell phones and caller ID. I shyt you not. How can this guy live with himself when he is selling such out-of-date material?
His advice may be better for an AFC than nothing at all. But if you made it to sosuave or ASF, you don't need Doc Love.
I was so disappointed I wrote him a letter telling him he really needed to update his book. Of course, he never responded.
Also, perhaps most important of all, if you read his articles on sosuave or askmen.com, it is apparent they are written by a different person than they person who wrote his "System" book.
Finally, the "System" is not a system at all. It is written like a hokey encyclopedia, with subjects in aplhabetical order. There is no logical flow to it whatsoever.
If he did not have a money-back guarantee, I'd say it was a rip-off. But he does, and he honored it, so I give him props for that. He is an honest businessman.
if you get it, get it off of ebay. It reads like it was written by a 4 year old, full of stupid proverbs.
Honestly, to sum it up 'be a challenge' , he some how turned that into a book.
There really is no actuall 'system' at all.
I would avoid it
Shocker
Honestly, to sum it up 'be a challenge' , he some how turned that into a book.
There really is no actuall 'system' at all.
I would avoid it
Shocker
Tha Realnezz
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LOL at this thread. Doesn't he own the site?lol.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Re: RE:
You obviously have not read The System if you think that's all there is to it.Originally posted by SeldomSeen
if you do enough research online, read a few ebooks like 'Double Your Dating' and 'The Art of Seduction' and what not you'll eventually find the same things: essays on confidence, being a challenge, being a little resistant, charm and charisma etc. In other words it may be good but there's other material for less money just as good.
Doc Love helped me with my first steps. A good read if you have had pretty much no contact with the material most people offer. If you want his knowledge, his articles contain all of it, pretty much (if you read about ten of them, you'll be able to predict his answers for future articles).
I'd recommend it for an 18 yr old who knows jack about women. If you want stuff that you can actually in the field (e.g. PUA stuff, etc), then that's NOT the book to read.
I'd recommend it for an 18 yr old who knows jack about women. If you want stuff that you can actually in the field (e.g. PUA stuff, etc), then that's NOT the book to read.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.