Doc Love and his system

[LADawg49]

I read the weekly letters from Doc Love online and there are a couple points I disagree with. One of them is that u must wait 7 days to call the woman. Now 7 days is too long, unless u are Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, or play for the Lakers. Now if u call the next day that is just as stupid. I say 48-72 hours is a good time period to wait because if u wait too long, she'll have already forgotton about you completely. Another rule that I really disagree with of his is that the man should not touch the woman, let her touch him... In other words, he is telling us not to perform kino on a woman. If u dont perform any sort of kino, she gonna throw deep inside the friend zone. If anythin contrary to what Doc Love says, kino is what builds up attraction. Fellas, what are your thoughts on Doc Love?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Post a link to the article you read, I'd like to read it in its entirety before commenting.

 

[Craig Reeves]

I'd have to say that I agree with you on those points...

I can't say that waiting a week to call is a great idea. It's just too long and the woman would have completely lost any vibe that she had for you by then. You don't want to wait until the eggs get cold before you eat them - however, you don't want to eat them right out of the oven because then you'll burn your tongue. 2 days is the best interval of time.

I totally disagree with the fact that you shouldn't touch your date. You should kino your date, yes.

 

[Skweints]

I had an experience about 2 nights ago, and it dealt heavily with Kino... something I don't normally do.

Let's just say, I applied it to the FULLEST extent this night.

A good friend of mine and his girlfriend were going out to a club over here called Dragon's. Normal hip hop club. We show up, and my buddy's girlfriend told me that she talked to one of her co-workers, and how her co-worker wanted to meet me. I was totally cool with the idea, even though blind dates have a potential to turn out really bad. Wasn't the case this night. The girl finally shows up after 20 minutes of being there. I was almost tempted to go talk to some other girl who had been eyeing me up pretty good, and had she not shown up when she did, I would've went ahead and did that. Well, it was a good thing I waited, cause this girl was HOT. I immediately introduce myself, grab her hand, and drag her out to the dance floor. I hadn't realized it, but this girl was INCREDIBLY shy. She couldn't look me in the eyes for the first 20 minutes of meeting... yet, she was grinning the entire time and she had absolutely NO problems dancing with me. I applied the kino full force, pulling away every so often not to overwhelm her. At first, I didn't think she was interested, but when we took a break, I asked her for her phone number, she pulled out her phone, I pulled out mine, she grabbed my phone, typed her number in it and saved it... THEN called her phone to make sure her phone worked. She wanted to make sure I got her number. After that, she started making attempts to make eye contact, which she would hold for about a second or two before looking at the ground. By the end of the night, though, she would almost forget she was staring into my eyes. Had she not had work the next day at 7 in the morning, I probably could've f'closed her.

So yes, Kino is very important, and don't ever wait for the girl to initiate it. And I would agree... 24-48 hours is good, unless she herself has a busy schedual... then you can probably give it another 2 days.

 

[BLUEox117]

i used some numbers after a month or up to 50 days later

if she doesnt remember, i just say oh ok bye, if she does, what did you lose? u just have fun at getting re-acquainted, and the ice is already broken !

 

[LADawg49]

As for the article I read, him mentioning not to touch your date has appeared in many of his articles. You can read his articles on www.askmen.com. Like I said, kino is very important. Another thing about Doc Love I dont agree with is that if she does not give the home phone number, you should next her. Would you guys agree with him on that tip? I mean, I personally do not give my home number out cause I live with my parents, so I shouldn't expect a woman to do the same for me. Its ok to get the cell number plus in a way its better because then you have a better chance of reaching her. As it is these days everyone uses the cell phone as much as the home phone. I used to read Doc Loves articles but they weren't helpin me at all. Then I found this site and started readin the bible which is a lot more different than Doc Love and it is a lot more helpful than Doc Love I must say.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Would you post a link to the specific article. I've actually read Doc's System and nowhere in it does it mention what you are saying. I would like to read what you read because I'm trusting that you truly read what you are expounding but my trust is definitely waining.

 

[Fatality]

I am so annoyed how this guy titles his articles "would Ben Affleck do this or do that" as if they know everything about women just because they are famous.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by Fatality
I am so annoyed how this guy titles his articles "would Ben Affleck do this or do that" as if they know everything about women just because they are famous.

Yeah, one or two would have been enough. I don't know if he thinks that we'd follow the mindset of these stars that seem to have enough relationship problems themselves. It's like taking political advice from movie stars.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

First off,you have to understand the viewpoint that Doc Love is coming from. Doc Love has to assume that every guy buying his Book is a RAFC that doesn't know anything about women that's why he has to put hard and fast rules like.
1) Wait 5-7 days to call.
2) Let her initiate kino.

Doc has to assume that every guy doesn't know how to properly do kino so he just tells them to avoid all together to keep AFC's from groping women.

His "wait a week to call" principle works the same way. He has to assume that the AFC's buying his book are the "call her every day ten times a day" type. His rule is meant to teach you some self control and remind you that dating is not a marathon. because in his book he states "it's the tortoise that gets the women not the hair." His section on "phone rules" will prevent you from playing phone tag with women and looking like an AFC.

I've personally found that if you use Doc Love's system in tandum with DYD it will definately produce results.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

I dont get the guys who would accept an email address instead of a cell #?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by Dust 2 Dust
I've personally found that if you use Doc Love's system in tandum with DYD it will definately produce results.

Ditto.

 

[Maximus_Decimus]

I own Doc Love's system and his "Dating Dictionary." Like a little boy that is riding a bike for the first time, it serves as "training wheels" for your typical AFC. His advice is good for somebody new to the game but when you understand the game well enough, you are free to discard the "training wheels" and do whatever you feel is more effective. Make sure you understand the premise of his ideas before you throw away those training wheels! Unfortunately, many people look at the "letter of the law" to literally and totally miss out on the "spirit of the law" that Doc is trying to convey. Here is my take on some of Doc Love's ideas:

1) Above all, Doc Love is trying to find you a women for an LTR (and possibly marriage). If you are looking for a ONS, "The System" won't work for you.

2) Not calling for 7 days: Doc is trying to curb your desperation and neediness. Furthermore, he is trying to weed out women with low interest.

By all means, if you have your pick of the litter and because of this, you are totally not desperate and you naturally project this and your target chick knows this, there is nothing wrong with calling the next day. If not, then stick to the "training wheels."


3) His anti-kino stance: We all know that kino works. But when you kino a chick, it has to be confident kino. If you kino a chick nervously, it will come off as just that ... and you will creep her out! For the typical AFC who isn't confident with kino, it simply will not work well.

Unfortunately, one could argue his advice on this is a double edged sword. If you don't practice kino, how can you become confident in applying it?

Maximus_Decimus

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Originally posted by Maximus_Decimus
I own Doc Love's system and his "Dating Dictionary." Like a little boy that is riding a bike for the first time, it serves as "training wheels" for your typical AFC. His advice is good for somebody new to the game but when you understand the game well enough, you are free to discard the "training wheels" and do whatever you feel is more effective. Make sure you understand the premise of his ideas before you throw away those training wheels! Unfortunately, many people look at the "letter of the law" to literally and totally miss out on the "spirit of the law" that Doc is trying to convey.

D@mn good synopsis.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

Bible,books,etc are just common sense tips.

Any idiot can tell you what's in these dating forums without ever reading them.

I think they should be used for a source of exchanging techniques and opinions rather than training manuals you live and die by.

 

[Sweetcheeks]

I think the Doc's on the right track

I'm personally more inclined to go with David DeAngelo's material, but there is some overlap between both their systems.

Personally, I'm inclined from personal experience to wait 3-5 days before calling. This fits more into my comfort zone.

Also, I particularly like DD's "Kiss test", which is a form of kino from which a DJ can test the boundaries without overcommitting.