"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do you trust me?

Nutz

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A few questions about how others deal with this crap:

A) I seem to remember this evoking a logical fallacy. If so, which one?

B) How do you guys respond to this?

C) What does it really mean?


To me this is just like politicians justifying intrusive laws and using "if you have nothing to hide..." as an excuse for letting it happen.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The Comeback Kid

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Nutz said:
A few questions about how others deal with this crap:

A) I seem to remember this evoking a logical fallacy. If so, which one?

B) How do you guys respond to this?

C) What does it really mean?


To me this is just like politicians justifying intrusive laws and using "if you have nothing to hide..." as an excuse for letting it happen.
I'm guessing this would be a girl asking you the question. My thoughts:

A.) I didn't do all that great in philosophy lol, I'm not sure this is a real fallacy though. A fallacy is an argument someone makes, this is simply a question.

B.) Depends how well I know the girl. It takes me awhile to trust someone anyway, but if I've known her a long time, we get along, we know each other, etc., I'm more likely to trust her. However, if there are questionably things that put this trust into question, I get suspicious. If a girl asks me if she trusts me in general, I'm thinking something ambiguous but a little humorous would work here (unless something has already happened, like she cheated on you).

C.) It means something bad is about to happen...that's possible atleast. If it's coming out of the blue, then this could very well be the case. I don't really know why she'd ask this unless something was about to be put into question.
 

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The fallacy aspect is based on the context. I've seen too many cases of men having red flags go up because something was amiss and it turned out the woman was messing around behind his back. In nearly ever instance the woman at one point tried to use the "trust card" to continue or facilitate the infidelity.


Also, I meant this as a relationship management kinda thing. Your gf or wife wants to go out with an old friend who for some reason just popped back into her life, or is some guy she works with. She swears he's "just a friend". For whatever reason you feel uneasy about the proposition. Your instincts kick in and red flags begin to go up. You say you don't feel comfortable with it and ask how she'd feel if you started hanging out with women she doesn't know. She gives you the song and dance, asks "don't you trust me?" and backs you into a relationship corner. You either let her go or have a big blowout and possibly goes out anyway. When they drop the "trust card" what's the best way to deal with it in that context? I've heard some great stuff in the past, but I didn't write any of it down and I have a friend who's about to get and need some advice asap. It's basically a critical moment in a relationship because if you don't lay down the gauntlet they're very likely to cheat, whether by "accident" (got drunk and "it just happened) or by design doesn't matter. If you stand up to her properly you can really diminish the odds of something happening.

This is usually something guys who are in relationships with younger spoiled little *****es get. They want to bang a bunch of guys or feel they're missing out so they may want to go out with their single girlfriends to the clubs. It's part of the self-delusion and crap woman do. I've found you have to squash that sorta thing if you don't want her "accidentally" sitting on some other guy's c0ck. By putting your foot down and preventing them from being in dubious situations to begin with, you can really mitigate the odds of something happening.
 
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