Do you think you could actually help out a guy that was bad with women?

[Rolled Stones]

as in he had low self-esteem, was insecure, and was bad with women in the sense that he could talk to them and not get laid.

I mean be honest with yourself and don't throw up a bull**** response, could you legitimately help such a guy. How far would you be willing to go to help a person that is struggling but wants to improve their situation.

Over the years I have noticed that most guys refuse to really help anyone that is struggling and if that guy gets too annoying (voices his troubles), people start making fun of him rather than actually making a difference in his life.

I asked because I have a friend in real life who is decent looking (not ugly or anything) and quite the hilarious guy (social and everything). Problem is he is almost turning 21 and confessed to me that he has never had a girlfriend before. Asked him if he is gay or something (jokingly) and he said no. Told me that he was home schooled and never developed the dating skills. On top of that he is a bright kid too.

To make matters worse for him he is from a part of the world that isn't too liked right now (the Middle East). I have heard a few girls say racist things about him when he is such a good person. Want to help him but don't know how.

 

[TheException]

I mean be honest with yourself and don't throw up a bull**** response, could you legitimately help such a guy. How far would you be willing to go to help a person that is struggling but wants to improve their situation.


Believe it or not...there is a whole "manosphere" that is willing to help. Not everyone gives good advice, but their are diamonds in the rough. As for someone in my personal life? Only if they asked to be help.....only save those who wished to be saved.

 

[evan12]

I always help guys,here and other places .

(the Middle East)

now the picture is more clear, it is hard to middle eastern guy to get a girlfriend unless he is sexy . I am from there too , and things not easy.

 

[Rolled Stones]

That is the problem it seems, when these guys give advice they are aiming it towards the general population which is average looking white guys. You don't have any advice for a guy like my friend who is stuck in sort of a tough situation.

 

[TheException]

when these guys give advice they are aiming it towards the general population which is average looking white guys. You don't have any advice for a guy like my friend who is stuck in sort of a tough situation

Thats a pathetic excuse and as long as you continue to use it...you will be a loser chump. His situation may be tough...but its not unique. Every guy faces problems....its whether the guy stops making excuses and faces the challenge....or cowers and whines about it.

 

[Rolled Stones]

when these guys give advice they are aiming it towards the general population which is average looking white guys. You don't have any advice for a guy like my friend who is stuck in sort of a tough situation

Thats a pathetic excuse and as long as you continue to use it...you will be a loser chump. His situation may be tough...but its not unique. Every guy faces problems....its whether the guy stops making excuses and faces the challenge....or cowers and whines about it.

well coach

where do we start to improve him? what do we do?

 

[hockeyfreak79]

My ex's wife best friend from HS, this guy was pretty sad. Years, I'm talking years after his ex dumped his ass he was still not over here. He was a lost cause. Smart dude, semi funny and alright looking. Pansy ass when it came to woman tho. I felt bad for him, he would want advice but would never actually take it. His ego always got in the way.

Comon use your brain, tell him to get his ass on here and read the DJ bible end of story. Tell him to man up and do the research himself, nobody's going to teach him. He's gotta start some where.

 

[Dalshtröm]

28.7 5:50

Basically you are right. The ones who are englightened from society tend to have a very big ego about themselves being englightened. They tend to try to prove they they are right. And when someone who disagrees with him, he gets pissed and naturally he will say stupid unnecessary things ad and fun of the disagreer.

We cannot reall make anyone a different person. No oft can change anybody. All we can do is show directions and it is up to him whetever he decides to do so or no. We can push and encourage him to a better direction but we can never force them to do so. Many people here tend to force the beginners to do things they are not used to. And if you force much, you end up with resentment.

It is wide not to make it a goal, otherwise you will be just frustated. You can never change a person; you can only show with dorectiona, advices. So if you wanna help him, first be completely englightened yourself, be englightened not only of society but o the hatred resentment towards the conditioning society has given you ever since you were a children.

You can show him this site, make him spent some days here and once you start to see the enlightenment arising just watch the hatred and anger arising to 'low' lives that made him to through the bad life. Not everyone will go through this ego phrase. If he is intelligent, he will not need to go through it. But if he is stupid, he will start to hate the society and all the people who conditioned him I to a beta. He will start to be proud of himself I front of every beta he sees.

So once you are that ego arising and it is much more dangerous than the average joe's ego. The average joe is simply humble, innocent. But this so called englightened one will simply be filled with hatred and anger towards society. When it arises, make him conscious of it and then finally, he has arrived at the last state of game. When he has understood the root of game. Basically game means playfulness. The very word game means playing, otherwise it would not be called game. But rather than learning to play, people who starts to learn the rules will take the game very seriously. Many people here do so. It is like showing him ways by pointing your finger into a direction and he goes to the finger. Rather than going to the direction that is showed, he goes to the finger that shows the direction; he thinks the direction is the goal. Those people misses the ground of game and will be more disturbed than before. At this point he thinks he has arrived but when he looks deeper, closer he realizes that he is the hell is still around him; he is still in the middle of hell.

So help him, show him this site, perfectly good. But if he misses and goes to the direction pointer rather tha to the direction pointed, you will have to push him a little bit to the other direction, to the right direction. You will have to pull him from hell and show him heaven.

 

[backseatjuan]

God helps people through miracles, which are mistaken and disguised as ordinary coincidences and good lucks. Helping doesn't involve grabbing one by hand and pulling him out of a certain death, unless the dude is really about to fall to a certain death. You could help your friend by hanging out with him and always doing with him something that he is uncomfortable doing. Go fishing together, sniff some coke and drive around listening to loud music, little things like that can greatly affect his feature life. You in return, will get rewarded. Who's to say that God haven't helped him by putting you in this position?

 

[Stagger Lee]

Of course any guy could be helped, to what degree is another story. He could also be hinder by reading PU material and misapplying it.

I agree most people aren't really trying to help other guys. They are mostly just tooting their own horn that they know how to attract women (which they may not in actuality) more than actually trying to help another guy. That's why they'll give the guy "advice" yet talk bad about him behind his back sabotaging him. Others want to help but and may even be good with women but they don't really understand why they are, and can't really tell someone else how to improve.

It all depends on what his shortcomings and sticking points are. Being home schooled he probably never developed his social skills. He probably just needs practice. Maybe his expressions, nonverbal and body language is not great. That's hard to fix, but I imagine actors train in that, so there's avenues for improving it.

 

[evan12]

That is the problem it seems, when these guys give advice they are aiming it towards the general population which is average looking white guys. You don't have any advice for a guy like my friend who is stuck in sort of a tough situation.

The advise is good when they teach you how to be a man and how to escalate , etc . But to get positive response from woman it will be more hard if she is not from race and your race is not desired .
When I mix with middle eastern or Persian women , things go very easy and I just need to start conversation and it end with a phone number in my hand and even if they are not interested they still nice and respectful .
Why ? may be because they find a LTR material in me and they trust me .
I advise your friend to talk with middle eastern girls in the universities, there are a lot of from them there.

 

[Mike32ct]

In real life, most people won't help such a guy. It's sad but true. I know this from experience.

I do think there are some people online such as on SS with good intentions that would try to help. But obviously there are limits to how much help you can get without someone seeing you.

 

[zekko]

Over the years I have noticed that most guys refuse to really help anyone that is struggling and if that guy gets too annoying (voices his troubles), people start making fun of him rather than actually making a difference in his life.

The problem with guys like this is they get too wrapped up in their troubles, get discouraged easily, and get all negative about themselves. Which is part of the problem. The guys need to drop this bad attitude if they are going to improve, but they won't do it.

Plus ultimately a guy has to help himself. You can have him read all sorts of books and tell him what to do, but unless he gets out there himself, experiences things for himself, and applies things for himself, he's not going to improve. He has to have the motivation to dive into the deep end of the pool and put in the work.

It's like teaching someone to play the guitar (or do anything, really). You can show him the chords and where to put his fingers, but unless he puts in the practice time and absorbs the information into his very essence to understand it for himself, he isn't going to be very good.

 

[JoeMarron]

That is the problem it seems, when these guys give advice they are aiming it towards the general population which is average looking white guys. You don't have any advice for a guy like my friend who is stuck in sort of a tough situation.

There is no specific advice for him. There's no such thing as middle eastern guy game, indian dude game, etc. Game is game. Sure he may have to work harder than the average white dude but he can still find success if he puts his mind to it instead of whining about his race. If you wanna help him simply point him to the DJ Bible. If he's smart and has the determination to change then he'll solve his problems on his own.

 

[fuzzball]

honestly it depends(although people seem to love to seek my advice for things).

i know one guy who would probably read the DJ bible and benefit from it.

i know another who could go either way really

and i know others that would use it and get endless girls pregnant and not pay a dime till a court threw their sorry rears in jail.

so i really think it depends on who is being helped exactly. the would bang a new girl every night and have endless children and not be willing to own up to it guy I would never help. or at least I would do far more covertly and see if hes willing to own up to mistakes. though i wont lie this particular fellow is a long way from ever getting this help even if he needs it badly i just dont think he wont use it for evil.

the first guy i mentioned i'd be willing to help because i know he would use this knowledge to be a better person. heck hes more a social hermit than i am which is a bit terrifying.

I'd probably take the gamble on the second guy i mentioned and help him. Ive been trying to in a round a bout way because he just got taken through the ringer with some girl about the same time I was really starting to read the DJ bible and i swear anytime he took my advice(i got from the DJ bible) the woman came screaming back.....anytime he didnt she left him and drove him nuts. i think this guy might benefit from it.

so overall Im not opposed to helping anyone here with Ive been learning here but I would pick and chose carefully because i know far too many guys will just use it to bang a new girl everynight and completely miss the point. not to mention far too many guys are a bit reckless when it comes to sex as it is. you know replacing 10 hours of gaming with 10 hours of clubbing isnt exactly healthy either.

 

[Zarky]

Any guy can get better with women if

1) He realizes he's doing sh*t wrong
2) He actually wants to change.

Most of the guys in this forum who've been posting for years and are no closer to getting chicks can't admit that they're doing sh*t wrong. They blame women, get bitter, and it's a downward spiral from there.

The first thing you have to say to yourself is: "I suck with women, and it's my fault, not theirs."

 

[Rolled Stones]

In real life, most people won't help such a guy. It's sad but true. I know this from experience.

I do think there are some people online such as on SS with good intentions that would try to help. But obviously there are limits to how much help you can get without someone seeing you.

Well spoken, I thin for one people will fail to acknowledge that he has the race barrier to overcome unlike a man who is White. I don't believe one race is better than the other but women are a lot more shallow in this regard.

Another thing is that most people will give the generic advice that will make him come off as a creep to society.

"just approach man!"

 

[Smok1nAce]

^^ well spoken, most men wont help out because they are probley just as bad with women as you are and if your better looking, and higher value they will be dammed to help you.
but the "just approach man!" is sometimes all a guy really needs for advice.
I personally think that the more men who "Know the game" is better for society.

 

[evan12]

There is no specific advice for him. There's no such thing as middle eastern guy game, indian dude game, etc. Game is game. Sure he may have to work harder than the average white dude but he can still find success if he puts his mind to it instead of whining about his race. If you wanna help him simply point him to the DJ Bible. If he's smart and has the determination to change then he'll solve his problems on his own.

When you are middle eastern , you are in up hill battle with women in north America , I am middle eastern and catholic , but still not that helpful , even the drunk girls in the bar ask me where am I from before.
Any way I dont blame them , I know there is kind of hidden cultural war between west and middle east.