Do you think spinsters will have the last laugh as they force young men to pay for their aging?

[MatureDJ]

Furioso has a very good point here:

http://www.returnofkings.com/112318/will-you-pay-the-bill-for-the-coming-spinster-bubble

Marriage rates have been plummeting since culturally suicidal feminism was unleashed like a plague on Western society. Women aren’t marrying, because in many cases they’re not worth putting up with in Anglo America, and in others they’re too busy living the Have It All™ lifestyle. They’re also not having children, and this is having numerous consequences beyond the demographic extinction of white people.

As a result of this dearth of marriage, children, and family we can expect to see a spinster bubble forming in America in the next few decades. Women, who already consume far more government resources than they pay in, will need even more largesse from Big Daddy Government as they become old and frail. They will not have a husband or children to look after them in their old age. Fluffy cats don’t push wheelchairs and drive women to doctor’s appointments.

Women will demand Beta male take dollars to pay for the services they need. Are you willing to foot the bill?

I haven't paid more than about $100 per year in US federal income tax since 2004 (including FICA). I'M NOT FOOTING ANYTHING!

 

[AJ84]

Furioso has a very good point here:

http://www.returnofkings.com/112318/will-you-pay-the-bill-for-the-coming-spinster-bubble



I haven't paid more than about $100 per year in US federal income tax since 2004 (including FICA). I'M NOT FOOTING ANYTHING!

Depending on where you live, you foot the bill for ageing people regardless of their marital status or family.
Having children doesn't always mean they will take care of you in your old age. In fact, in Western cultures they likely won't because we don't value the elderly or family the way some other cultures do. And those cultures have less childless unmarried elders because of the value placed on having family. This is not valued in the western culture so there are many childless elderly from both genders, and many elderly with children and they all need to be supported by the public tax.
Return of Kings always has this schizophrenic spin on life, it's like reading The Onion.

 

[RangerMIke]

Will never happen. Men do not NEED to produce. If we are getting no benefit, because it's taken away in taxes... then men will simply make less... get low paying low stress jobs and spend time hunting and fishing. You can not tax what is not earned. When the cost outweighs the benefit: the 'cost is just avoided.

 

[The Duke]

Women have been outliving men for as long as I can remember so the author's concern is nothing new. When the men are gone, and the old lady can't drive herself she calls up a community services van to pick her up so she can attend her doctor appointments, bingo games, and get her hair done. Many of those services already exist today and have for years. And most all of them are subsidized by the tax payer.

Return of Kings is the biggest collection of male drama queens I know of.

And MatureDJ, you must not make any money or the IRS has never audited you?

The only concern I see is that there are men and women that haven't saved enough for retirement. There are people in their 40's with 30 years to go on home mortgages. I don't see how these idiots will ever be able to retire.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Just like any model when a factor goes out of place, other factors will move to balance it.

The only reason the average man is an hardworker productive law abidizing citizen is the stability that society and family offer in return.

Once society and rules take way from him any reward, the average man will simply withdraw himself from the system either as range mike said by decreasing his contribution or by adoption and antisocial antilaw lifestyle.

It could be hiding his money and not paying taxes or living a criminal life style using his abilities full force at his own benefit rather than doing 50/50 between his interest and the community one.

 

[AJ84]

Will never happen. Men do not NEED to produce. If we are getting no benefit, because it's taken away in taxes... then men will simply make less... get low paying low stress jobs and spend time hunting and fishing. You can not tax what is not earned. When the cost outweighs the benefit: the 'cost is just avoided.

You can't tax what's not earned - but you know people will never collectively start earning less just so they don't have to pay for someone else's services. For years, we have been paying for people we don't want to pay for (prisoners, welfare bums, etc etc). People complain but how may decide to just work less paying jobs based on principle. Not too many. I get what your saying but I don't see men or women electing to make less on a grand enough scale to change the system.

 

[The Duke]

You can't tax what's not earned - but you know people will never collectively start earning less just so they don't have to pay for someone else's services. For years, we have been paying for people we don't want to pay for (prisoners, welfare bums, etc etc). People complain but how may decide to just work less paying jobs based on principle. Not too many. I get what your saying but I don't see men or women electing to make less on a grand enough scale to change the system.

I know a few doctors that cutback on the hours they worked after they got divorce raped so the payout to their kunt wife wouldn't be so much! One cut his salary by over 50%.

 

[RangerMIke]

Getting divorce raped is an eye opener. I pay out $2,200 a month in alimony, but that is a bargain... when I was married my ex would just spend money like crazy. At least now it's a set amount and I can plan for it. I have more disposable income now because I do not have some chick chained to me that can not control her spending. She got half my sh!t, but over the last 10 years I've managed to build my assets back to where they were before the divorce. My ex... well she's pretty much blown though everything that was given to her. I have more free time to do things like make more money. The alimony is fixed, so if I make more, she does not get any more... and believe me she has tried... every so often I have to burn $5k in legal fees, but since I have custody of the kids... she really doesn't have a leg to stand on. Her spousal support runs out in 4 years.... Not sure what she is going to do at that point.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Getting divorce raped is an eye opener. I pay out $2,200 a month in alimony, but that is a bargain... when I was married my ex would just spend money like crazy. At least now it's a set amount and I can plan for it. I have more disposable income now because I do not have some chick chained to me that can not control her spending. She got half my sh!t, but over the last 10 years I've managed to build my assets back to where they were before the divorce. My ex... well she's pretty much blown though everything that was given to her. I have more free time to do things like make more money. The alimony is fixed, so if I make more, she does not get any more... and believe me she has tried... every so often I have to burn $5k in legal fees, but since I have custody of the kids... she really doesn't have a leg to stand on. Her spousal support runs out in 4 years.... Not sure what she is going to do at that point.

Where does she gets the money to hire lawyers to ask for more money? from ur 2000 or some special pink lawyers program?

 

[Dingo]

Interesting article.... Thanks for sharing.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Getting divorce raped is an eye opener. I pay out $2,200 a month in alimony, but that is a bargain... when I was married my ex would just spend money like crazy. At least now it's a set amount and I can plan for it. I have more disposable income now because I do not have some chick chained to me that can not control her spending. She got half my sh!t, but over the last 10 years I've managed to build my assets back to where they were before the divorce. My ex... well she's pretty much blown though everything that was given to her. I have more free time to do things like make more money. The alimony is fixed, so if I make more, she does not get any more... and believe me she has tried... every so often I have to burn $5k in legal fees, but since I have custody of the kids... she really doesn't have a leg to stand on. Her spousal support runs out in 4 years.... Not sure what she is going to do at that point.

How do you even motivate yourself to date after that? What's in it for you?

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I haven't paid more than about $100 per year in US federal income tax since 2004 (including FICA). I'M NOT FOOTING ANYTHING!

Do tell, how is this possible? I need to know for myself in the future. I want to pay as little taxes as possible until there is no more stealing. Presidential salary is $400,000 a year. After 8 years in office, Barack Obama has a net worth of over $100,000,000. Straight up legal theft. It’s idiotic.

 

[MatureDJ]

And MatureDJ, you must not make any money or the IRS has never audited you?

The only concern I see is that there are men and women that haven't saved enough for retirement. There are people in their 40's with 30 years to go on home mortgages. I don't see how these idiots will ever be able to retire.

I am "enjoying the decline" as an early-retired man taking out seasoned Roth IRA conversion basis (i.e., no tax and no penalty), or generating capital gains income in the 0% tax bracket as I spend down my non-IRA assets. I also teach a little English abroad, but with an allowable Per Diem of about $400 per day and no paper trail in any case, there is no income to report. I own a cheap house with no mortgage and a 14 year old car with no note (and only drive a few K a year), so there is no cost there. Oh, and I'm on ACA ("ObamaCare") Medicaid.

And when I hit 59-1/2, I will able to take out whatever I want from my Roth IRA with no tax. I probably live on only about $1500 per month.

 

[MatureDJ]

Do tell, how is this possible? I need to know for myself in the future. I want to pay as little taxes as possible until there is no more stealing. Presidential salary is $400,000 a year. After 8 years in office, Barack Obama has a net worth of over $100,000,000. Straight up legal theft. It’s idiotic.

I don't think he is that wealthy, although certainly lopping off a zero could be about right. He did write a few books, and yes, folks bought them because he was a star. And if he wanted to, he could rake in a quarter million per speech like Bill Clinton has been doing, but money is not that important to him.

 

[MatureDJ]

Just like any model when a factor goes out of place, other factors will move to balance it.

The only reason the average man is an hardworker productive law abidizing citizen is the stability that society and family offer in return.

Once society and rules take way from him any reward, the average man will simply withdraw himself from the system either as range mike said by decreasing his contribution or by adoption and antisocial antilaw lifestyle.

There is no reason that such a man that has "taken the red pill" has to be anti-social or anti-law. I think what happens is that as men acquire a decent enough nest egg, if they have no hard expenses (like a family!), they basically become wealthy enough to buy "time", and once they can buy enough time that would ordinarily go toward a job, they retire. And the cost to that time is the after-tax (both explicit & implicit tax, the latter being the reduction in means-tested benefits, such as the tax credit subsidy or Medicaid for the ACA) wage that is available. And as my computer programming skill value has become debased from obsolescence and the ability of clients to source programming work anywhere in the world (kind of like the way American men who have the ability to travel can source women anywhere in the world ), the cost to buy back my wage is low, so it's very affordable (it would be a lot more costly for me to buy back my old pre-tax wage of over a dollar a minute ).

 

[MatureDJ]

Getting divorce raped is an eye opener. I pay out $2,200 a month in alimony, but that is a bargain... when I was married my ex would just spend money like crazy. At least now it's a set amount and I can plan for it. I have more disposable income now because I do not have some chick chained to me that can not control her spending. She got half my sh!t, but over the last 10 years I've managed to build my assets back to where they were before the divorce. My ex... well she's pretty much blown though everything that was given to her. I have more free time to do things like make more money. The alimony is fixed, so if I make more, she does not get any more... and believe me she has tried... every so often I have to burn $5k in legal fees, but since I have custody of the kids... she really doesn't have a leg to stand on. Her spousal support runs out in 4 years.... Not sure what she is going to do at that point.

I had an engineer colleague that in the late '80s was forced to live on $600/month for a few years. The poor guy would have the absolutely saddest looking luncheonloaf sandwich for lunch.

 

[RangerMIke]

How do you even motivate yourself to date after that? What's in it for you?

You just don't commit to any chicks, don't do exclusive, never marry or move in with them.

The other thing is that I really don't blame my ex... she is just a chick, even though she was in her 40s she has the mind of a teenager. I was the one that failed to control the relationship. I should have kicked her to the curb the 1st year we were married, and definitely before we had kids. I never should have allowed her to emotionally control me.

I knew better.... but I fell into the false narrative that all 'Real" men get married... have children, and stick it out like a man. You surround yourself with other married dudes who all share the same story of BS wife behavior and you just accept your situation as normal. When every married guy you talk to says his wife uses sex like a weapon, spends money like an idiot, treats them like cr@p, you start to believe that this is the way things should be.

The thing that p!sses me off about myself more than anything is I did not marry until my mid 30s.... I was a DJ before this website ever existed, I understood the nature of chicks and STILL jumped into that wild dog pit because I let others convince me that the only way to be a complete man is to 'man-up' get married and be a good plow horse.

 

[RangerMIke]

Where does she gets the money to hire lawyers to ask for more money? from ur 2000 or some special pink lawyers program?

There are all kinds of tax subsidized "Women's Help" groups that fund this. All she has to do is go in cry that she is destitute and how I'm mean and have HER (the kids apparently are not mine) children... and they file lawsuits to increase spousal support. I'm lucky I live in Louisiana, it's a community property State and it is VERY hard for a woman to claim anything that was not jointly owned in marriage. So everything I have earned AFTER divorce she can not legally claim.

My brother was divorced in Connecticut, when EVERYTHING related to a marriage is settled in courts of 'equity', his ex-wife was actually abusing her last minor child that lived with her... he kept running away. Pat has spend $60K in legal fees over the last 8 years getting and since the divorce, Debra.... his ex... never had to pay ANY Legal fees... she got all her support for women's groups.... in fact Pat had to pay some of this groups legal fees for making it too hard for them to rob him blind. She is CONSTANTLY going back to court and getting more money... when he gets a raise and she finds out about it, SHE gets a raise. His alimony does not run out... he will have to support that b!tch for the rest of his life. Three years ago he got a bonus for work (about $10K), somehow she found out about it a year ago. She sued him for "her" part, and not only did she win, but the judge leveled punitive damages to Pat and he ended up having to give her ALL OF IT, because he supposedly tried to hide it. Pat is obliged to pay her 25% of everything he earns, what ever that is. You can not do this in community property States.

 

[Who Dares Win]

There are all kinds of tax subsidized "Women's Help" groups that fund this. All she has to do is go in cry that she is destitute and how I'm mean and have HER (the kids apparently are not mine) children... and they file lawsuits to increase spousal support. I'm lucky I live in Louisiana, it's a community property State and it is VERY hard for a woman to claim anything that was not jointly owned in marriage. So everything I have earned AFTER divorce she can not legally claim.

My brother was divorced in Connecticut, when EVERYTHING related to a marriage is settled in courts of 'equity', his ex-wife was actually abusing her last minor child that lived with her... he kept running away. Pat has spend $60K in legal fees over the last 8 years getting and since the divorce, Debra.... his ex... never had to pay ANY Legal fees... she got all her support for women's groups.... in fact Pat had to pay some of this groups legal fees for making it too hard for them to rob him blind. She is CONSTANTLY going back to court and getting more money... when he gets a raise and she finds out about it, SHE gets a raise. His alimony does not run out... he will have to support that b!tch for the rest of his life. Three years ago he got a bonus for work (about $10K), somehow she found out about it a year ago. She sued him for "her" part, and not only did she win, but the judge leveled punitive damages to Pat and he ended up having to give her ALL OF IT, because he supposedly tried to hide it. Pat is obliged to pay her 25% of everything he earns, what ever that is. You can not do this in community property States.

Stuff like this seems like a horror movie, Im really surprised how there are no hitman&co startups given the possible demand of business
What happens if you or your brother change state or move abroad?

 

[RangerMIke]

Stuff like this seems like a horror movie, Im really surprised how there are no hitman&co startups given the possible demand of business
What happens if you or your brother change state or move abroad?

Good question I really don't know for sure, but it is my understanding that all this depends on what State the divorce was granted. The ruling of the courts moves from state to state or country to country, depending on what treaties we have with them. I know a few people that have left the US to avoid alimony payments, I would not support a man that bolted to avoid child support, you have to support your kids, but a grown women can get her lazy fat @ss off the couch... put down the Bon-bons, turn off Oprah and get a job to take care of herself.

Vietnam is a place that a couple have gone, lots of opportunities for Americans, Canadians, and Australians there and the US does not have any extradition treaty with Vietnam, nor can US rulings be enforced there. One is in Kuwait, another in Saudi Arabia. One is in a place I can not say, but it is a Gulf Oil State and the Sultan, Price or whatever the leader calls himself has a small private Army of nothing but non-Muslims to protect him. He was a former SF guy I served with, it's kind of like the French Foreign Legion. And there is always the French Foreign Legion.... seriously, if you are a former soldier with combat experience, under the age of 35, the FFL is an option. The French government will protect you while in service with a new identity if you join and are excepted into their ranks.

When I was a company commander in Germany, I had a soldier that got busted for dealing Ecstasy in 1995. He fled across the boarder into France and joined the Legion and disappeared. I got an e-mail message through Linked-in from him a couple of years ago... he finished his time in the Legion and was now a French citizen.

There are ways...