Do you think incels exist because "No one is teaching these men how to be men"?

[MatureDJ]

I was reading this, and it got me interested:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel

Incels theorize that once you are black-pilled, you are finally given the gift of brutally honest Darwinian truth that, essentially, the game is rigged, so why bother? With such entrenchment in the truth of the doctrine comes freedom. No longer do you have to run around in circles. You can accept the world for what it is and settle back into your status on the lower rungs.

But the author says that the real reason that incels exist is because ...

No one is teaching these men how to be men. This doesn’t mean “men” in the sense of men’s rights activists, but a healthy, balanced (not extremist) definition which includes someone who treats women well but also treats himself well by not being afraid to think for himself with opinions that deviate from the loudest, most hateful elements in the community.

my opinion: I really don't see how raising an ugly man to "be a man" is going to accomplish anything other than him being a beast of burden for society while he gets shut out of the poontang.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Most men are pussies nowadays. Pussies don’t get laid. It’s that simple.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

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my opinion: I really don't see how raising an ugly man to "be a man" is going to accomplish anything other than him being a beast of burden for society while he gets shut out of the poontang.

If the assumption is that, he will then suddenly be pulling 9s/10s thereafter, anyone with a brain would know better.

I have to disagree with you. I am a huge fan of Jordan Peterson regardless of my lifestyle choices. I see the value in aiming for the highest good. There is value in a man regardless of their SMV placeholder becoming self actualized. Many black pill and incels are not oriented right.

No, he will not be pulling models and stunners. They can still get a gf once they are oriented right. Obv, they need to stay in their lane.

Where most men will go wrong is the nihilism and self loathing. Seeing the pedaling of equality but acknowledgement that, women who aren't oriented right have no trouble attracting if aesthetics.

Simply, all things are not equal.

If you are were to be correct, the alternative being what? Drowning sorrows? Renting mini vans and going gta or Elliot Roger's on the world?

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you. Better would be for these men to come out of the underworld, to make something of oneself, and to aim for the highest good. Once oriented right, an ugly man can live a good life, and find relations if he chooses to do so.

 

[IKO69]

I think it's a multifaceted problem.

I would say it primarily comes down to "contentment" - why chase ***** when you can play video games- some are convinced it's not worth the time? Second I would say it comes down to laziness. It requires EFFORT to be good with women - you can't really help the looks part, that's not what i'm speaking about it. I'm referring to to the other aspects women find attractive - rather than list them all I will simplify it by saying a man who is a good getter and people look up. You have to be a person with a purpose and drive, the kind of person everyone wants to be around. How many people truly desire to be exceptional rather than simply average? Not many. Now I'm not saying you have to go and accomplish something amazing - what i"m saying is you need to adopt this mindset to do better and be better. If you are no different than 300 other guys, why should you get a chance? You have to differentiate yourself from the crowd. How you can do that? That is for everyone to figure out.

Btw, I also wouldn't worry about "incels"

 

[Macaframalama]

my opinion: I really don't see how raising an ugly man to "be a man" is going to accomplish anything other than him being a beast of burden for society while he gets shut out of the poontang.

I can think of one benefit off the top of my head right now. He wouldn't be bothered by retarded a$$ opinions like this one here. You are thinking like a woman. Good looks or lack thereof, have zilch to do with masculinity.

 

[corrector]

I was reading this, and it got me interested:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sympathy-for-the-incel


But the author says that the real reason that incels exist is because ...


my opinion: I really don't see how raising an ugly man to "be a man" is going to accomplish anything other than him being a beast of burden for society while he gets shut out of the poontang.

"Be a man" means to just think for yourself though? Are in an Orwellian 1984 totalitarian society where people are arrested for thought-crimes and those who resist are "being a man"? Don't get the article.

 

[Roober]

I've been curious about this myself. And have heard several suggestions, outside of the annoying gun control banter...

1. Jordan Petersons book talks about getting your house in perfect order before you criticize the world. Long story short, many people have feelings of disappointment, and reach the point of deciding the world is not right and it is there job to fix it.

2. A second interesting one came from a documentary I watched recently about the damages of "being a man". We are told not to cry, told to hide our feelings, told to deal with our own problems. While this works for some, it is not possible to apply this principle to every young man as there is so much variability in personalities.

Since most killings are done by men, I think it's fair to argue that it is a masculine issue. It could come from many sources, but one of which is the pedaling of victimhood, and a complete failure to "set your house in perfect order."

We live in a society that has such a narrow and negative definition of masculinity, but then tell our men to "be a man", that creates a huge amount of emotional strife for a young man attempting to find his way. He must be stoic, but not too much. He must be aggressive, but not violent. He must possess leadership, but not be a tyrant.

You then couple this with a growing population of young men without their fathers (cause they are usually piece of $hit dead beats), where rates of drug and alcohol abuse, narcissism, and a complete lack of empathy and self control. You literally have millions of ticking time bombs walking around every day...