Do you think female hypergamy is the root cause of all social ills?

[MatureDJ]

I was reading an interesting op-ed about the permanence of the lower class, and it got me thinking ...

www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/opinion/david-brooks-the-cost-of-relativism.html

In the specific examples given here, it seems that the initial cause of the problems was because a woman had sex before marriage, got knocked up, and of course became unmarriageable to virtually any self-respecting man (cases where she is hot being those cases where such a man would put up with his beta-tude in exchange for high-quality sex), or in which the woman left the man (or drove him out), as legally married or common-law.

It seems to me that this all stems from the victory, in the lower class, of hypergamy over proper societal norms of living - something that is not seen as much in the non-lower classes as such folks have the psychological constraint to not give in to hypergamy at the expense of those societal norms. Now with that said, the destruction of the economic prospects for folks in that class is certainly an adjunct, as a man who knocked up his girlfriend would be considered as "unmarriageable" if his job were not deemed sufficient - which in and of itself is yet another expression of hypergamy.

The author attributes all this to "nonjudgmentalism", which really is another way of saying "the breaching of the constraint against female hypergamy, via the societal disposal of shaming the behavior of female hypergamy". The author also mentions the dearth of religion as a cause, but really all religion does in the lower class is give that psychological constraint, not from self-awareness that such constraint is necessary, but as a top-down directive to be followed, typically via fear of a wrathful God.

 

[sharkbeat]

I don't think female hypergamy is the root, but "nonjudgmentalism" as the article pointed out.

Nonjudgmentalism isn't just about female sexuality. In order for a society to move toward somewhere, there has to be a direction that lead them there. Religions and morality have been that guide, but the Western society have been starting to drop them in favor of nonjudgmentalism. Same-sex marriage? Sure. Female hypergamy? Sure. Do whatever you want? Sure. Worship satan? Sure. Worship science? Sure. Worship God? Sure. So female hypergamy is accepted here is because of nonjudgmentalism.

Religion is no longer a thing that a country enforces. Nationalism and patriotism is no longer a thing. We are living in a very hypocrite society. People demand respect, but they disrespect other people in the name of freedom of expression. Don't like the muslims? Why not run a Mohammad cartoon competition and claim it's a basic human rights of freedom of expression? If it's a freedom of expression, why does insulting the gays considered hate speech but not free speech?

I am not advocating for nonjudgmentalism or otherwise, nor defending any particular group, but modern society is going in all kinds of direction now. So like a dough that's been stretched out, expect lower and thinner morality as time progresses, and holes will form when it's been stretched out too thin until it eventually breaks apart.

The best we can do is to create our own filters and moral code, and stood our ground. PUAs, MGOTW, and the manosphere have been considered 'cult' by some people outside of the community. The people are free to form whatever opinion they want about us, and by the virtue of nonjudgmentalism, we are also free to form our own opinions and lifestyle.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

There is no one root cause of all social ills. There are certainly a lot of indicators, (lack of religion, single parent households, drugs, crime, etc).

However, I don't believe female hypergamy is a cause NOR an indicator of social collapse.

Hypergamy has been around pretty much since humans started talking. (it's certainly NOT the boogeyman sosuavers think it is)

In fact, in feudal times, poor serf families that had a "cute" daughter often saw her as a potential ticket OUT of poverty, if they could get her married to some prince or other noble.

(Interesting read on the subject: The Red Queen)

ALL HUMANS are pretty much hard wired to get away with as much as they can get away with. Girls have ALWAYS been hard wired to marry "up" as high as they could while guys are hard wired to bone "down" as young as they could.

As far as people being stuck in lower class (as described in the linked article), look to government intervention as the "root cause."

Every time the gov gets involved, upward mobility suffers.

That, however, is a whole nother topic.

 

[synergy1]

Overpopulation is the root cause to all of our problems. When there isn't enough to go around, people will take whats theirs by force.

 

[G_Govan]

I think prosperity and modernity are the root of our social ills.

It's never been about a particular gender. We've lived most of our lives as a species in harsh environments under constant pressure to find ways to survive/thrive.

Things have changed dramatically in a relatively short period of time and what we're experiencing now in the first world is that huge vacuum we created being filled.

Technology has displaced men and our traditional roles much more than women. It's still a man's world but that applies to the few. As a whole, particularly in developed countries, it's all about the women.