Do you think escorts hate johns with the same contempt that they hate incel-tier men, just that they put up with it for the cash?

[MatureDJ]

Here's a Norwood-scale incel-tier man that seems quite content being a john:

In Defense of Johns

I'm not ashamed to pay for sex—and other men shouldn't be either

time.com

I suppose you could say I am the consummate john. I’m loyal, I’m dedicated, and I will always come back — even as it seems as though efforts to shame johns are on a national upswing throughout the country.

But really, perhaps the most shameful thing I can admit is this: I’m not really ashamed. And neither should any of these other (unmarried) johns who have been arrested.

The only experience I’ve had where an element of violence was present was driving on 48th Street in New York and talking to a girl through my passenger window. (A big part of my addiction is the ritualistic aspect, and for some reason I only liked to pick up prostitutes who talked to me through the passenger window.) As we were speaking, a van full of girls stopped, and a guy I assume was her pimp bounced her across the hood of my car and threw her in the van.

Law-enforcement stings designed to shame men who pay for sex are nothing more than the state blowing its own morality horn. Being a comedian who is single allows me a luxury most johns don’t have, which is the freedom to discuss the topic openly. And not from a case-study point of view but from the honest point of view of someone who has spent the equivalent of a Harvard Law School education on purchasing sex.

Of course, there are femynists who think that any man that does this has a "sex addiction", and should be shamed :

Dear Jim Norton: You Should Be Ashamed to Pay for Sex

Jim Norton isn't entitled to sex, but women are entitled to human dignity

time.com

Actually, Jim, you should be ashamed to pay for sex. And so should all the other men who purchase women and girls, many of whom have been trafficked, enslaved and repeatedly raped. No amount of rationalization can get around the basic principle of market economics: if people like you didn’t buy girls, they wouldn’t be sold, and if they couldn’t be sold, they wouldn’t be trafficked and abused.

There was one part of Norton’s essay that I did find funny. It was the part where he said all the girls he buys are oh-so lucky to be with him. “I suppose you could say I am the consummate john,” he wrote. “I’m loyal, I’m dedicated and I will always come back.” He’s different from all those other nasty, mean clients, because he’s a really nice guy! “I never pick them up to be abusive,” he said. “I always feel extraordinarily loving and close to them.” Hahahahahaha, Jim Norton. Good one!

Did you ever consider, Jim, whether these girls felt “extraordinarily loving and close” to you? I’m guessing their feelings were a bit more complicated. ... And if you thought they enjoyed it, they were probably faking, because that’s exactly what you pay them to do.

my opinion: These women don't fake it when they give it up for free to their Chad f0ck-buddy, but the john here is incel-tier, and so he must put up the cash to get the experience, even with the women faking it. And then after that, they are still resentful!

One former prostitute named Kira put it this way: “You guys think we really liked having sex with you, but we would lie to you just to get your money … I hated you when I was out there,” she told men who had been busted for buying sex, according to PBS.

 

[Mike32ct]

Absolutely. They hate most (if not all) of their johns, including this just-cut-it-short-cel.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Absolutely. They hate most (if not all) of their johns, including this just-cut-it-short-cel.

They hate most people especially anyone who will help them.

 

[Who Dares Win]

The degree of hate they could feel toward those man will never match the degree of hate divorcing women feel toward theirs beta husbands who indirectly proved them how they cant secure a chad.

Anyway escorts are there for a reason, its the guys going to them looking for love and validation to have problems.

 

[thinker]

The former hooker that said she hated her johns is typical of women that work the sex trade. I use to work as a bouncer in a strip club and let me tell you most of those girls were not happy campers. They could not take responsibility for the way their lives had turned out and would basically project all that onto the customers. There was a small group of them that actually seemed happy and to not mind their work but it wasn't many of them. I wasn't into strip clubs before this experience and that job made it so that I could never enjoy any of these clubs. I think that the reason why the feminist hates the sex trades is because the more avenues men have for sexual satisfaction the less power woman have over them in society. Someone started a thread on VR and other tech. making women obsolete in 10 to 15 years. I don't think women will ever become obsolete but the tech advances and legal prostitution will shift more of the power towards men over time. This does not mean that incels will have the sex life of a Chad, but there lives might improve ever so slightly and normal guys will probably see the most benefits.

 

[ubercat]

Incels will have sex robots. problem is most of them will probably fall in love with their bot.

That will be the next big thing in the building trades making secret cupboards and dungeons to hide the sex bot away. TBH from a guy's point of view I don't see much difference between a bot and a hardened tinder slvt.

the way the world's going normal guys will be too busy trying to survive to be too stressed over pvssy.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The former hooker that said she hated her johns is typical of women that work the sex trade. I use to work as a bouncer in a strip club and let me tell you most of those girls were not happy campers. They could not take responsibility for the way their lives had turned out and would basically project all that onto the customers. There was a small group of them that actually seemed happy and to not mind their work but it wasn't many of them. I wasn't into strip clubs before this experience and that job made it so that I could never enjoy any of these clubs. I think that the reason why the feminist hates the sex trades is because the more avenues men have for sexual satisfaction the less power woman have over them in society. Someone started a thread on VR and other tech. making women obsolete in 10 to 15 years. I don't think women will ever become obsolete but the tech advances and legal prostitution will shift more of the power towards men over time. This does not mean that incels will have the sex life of a Chad, but there lives might improve ever so slightly and normal guys will probably see the most benefits.

Compare stripper mindset to a white collar manager position or business woman?

 

[corrector]

Here's a Norwood-scale incel-tier man that seems quite content being a john:

What are you talking about? I've google searched "Norwood-scale" and that talks about hair loss. This guy has a hair full of hair or his hairstyle is fine. There is no mention of the term "Incel" on the article itself. It just sounds like he has a sex-addiction and simply enjoys buying sex from prostitutes. Maybe he is choosing that type of lifestyle. He also looks attractive enough to pull women, especially ethnic women looking for white men, so the ethnicel mind-set would say he can get women, but addiction to prostitute sex offers variety and convenience at a level that he's simply too lazy to get out there and find a woman or can't be bothered.

You see the same thing with RichardtheFrog. When you grill him and get to the truth of the matter, it's easier to fork over cash then it is to run any game to get a woman that is way below that they can afford to purchase.

my opinion: These women don't fake it when they give it up for free to their Chad f0ck-buddy, but the john here is incel-tier, and so he must put up the cash to get the experience, even with the women faking it. And then after that, they are still resentful!

You are reading into the article and interpreting it in a way to read something that is not there. You are assuming he has to put up cash rather than saying he prefers putting up cash because it's simply more convenient and offers way more variety and high looks types of women. If you can get a 18-19 year old or college age girl treat you like a king for a half-hour or hour or whatever, within 2 hours with a wad of cash, the internet and the phone, why wouldn't that be a choice that someone is just making because it makes sense rather than dealing with a older less attractive women that everyone's chasing (i.e. because the wall is a coping myth) that may lead to nowhere anyway.

The problem, and I've seen this from other people, is that once you start using prostitutes, you get too lazy to go after real women because they can't compete with the variety and convenience. Next time bring up a real incel subject.

 

[corrector]

Absolutely. They hate most (if not all) of their johns, including this just-cut-it-short-cel.

But then again they are your b1tch when you are with them so who cares what they think. Having sexual access to women, especially if they hate you, means you have power over her because she took your money and has to perform, leading to a weird and crazy frenzied type of sex. But I think the devil who is controlling them hates johns more because he's trying to get at their souls, all hate is inspired by the devil mastermind and inside these prostitutes.

The sex act consummates the exchange of money from one hand to another. This consummation had occurred in my memory once in Dec 5, 2014 near midnight. The concept of consummating an exchange of money with sex is very unique and weird as opposed to actual marriage vows in front of a pastor. I was married on July 5th, of the same year so this is like exactly six months afterwards. (we were separated from a bad falling out before I saw this prostitute).

I would say consummate with marriage vows is sacred. This, on the other hand is just wrong and is an evil consummation concept. I have renounced the memory of that encounter and have not seen or been intimate with any woman since that time.

 

[corrector]

Lets address the elephant in the room. This is not an issue about "incels", but an issue about normies who want to live a Chad-lifestyle and have all the variety of hot women they want. Using the term "incel" is just click-bait and triggering. Most average guys are beta and will not live a Chad-lifestyle and are at a disadvantage in the dating market.