Do you think a man has to be quite wealthy to pull off marrying a tradwife?

[BeExcellent]

This intrigues me. A lot of relationships fall apart due to a lack of sexual frequency. Even while that marriage was falling apart, the sexual frequency was common. Women usually do not have sex while they are losing attraction for their man and pondering a divorce filing.

Well remember (as I have stated numerous times numerous places around here) my top criteria in a man is sexual desirability. If I'm not sexually interested then he's friend material only and I'm never getting involved with a man I don't desire sexually.

Not my ONLY criteria, but my TOP criteria. Numero uno. For me much of being married is enjoying a meaningful intimate relationship that includes sex on tap and safety from STDs, emotional hurt and so forth. A person that you grow and explore with and that is best achieved (in my opinion) within the safety and committment of the marriage covenant.

My first husband and I were ardent lovers and best friends. But my respect was eroding as he abdicated and avoided his role as a man in our marriage. I was becoming more & more concerned about the example we were setting for our kids. Those details are elsewhere. So why cut myself off sexually in addition? That always seemed dumb to me.

My first husband also let himself go physically to a great degree as things went on. So the sexual attraction waned and I knew I needed to end the marriage, but that is never a decision to be taken lightly. I was never one to withold sex or punish through witholding sex. I always thought that was a really stupid thing to do as a gf or wife.

 

[BeExcellent]

Chances are high you'll write what I'm about to say off as a byproduct of my generally somber disposition. And I concede, there may be a grain of truth within such an assessment, NEVERTHELESS:

Even men of character are still flesh and blood mortals, and mortals in their 20s aren't renowned for their herculean feats of impulse control, ESPECIALLY when the chance to engage in Emmanuele-level hijinks in the boudoir are standing just a few feet away, at business trip to Las Vegas or Hong Kong. Virginity ceases to be a draw, once a fella becomes woke to the delights an adroit siren can deliver, via her tongue, hands, and butthole. Insofar as all that other stuff goes: When a man has risen even moderately high up the ladder, he can hire someone else(professional level) to do the cooking and baking, bring in a nanny for at least 70% of the childrearing, and find modesty overrated, once he's seen his "upgrade" lounge around the pool in a microbikini for all of one afternoon

Sounds a bit callous, when articulated as such, nonetheless I submit that for MOST men(And I'm completely sincere, when I say I hope your son is the exception to the rule, BE), this isn't THAT far from the truth. ESPECIALLY men who achieve some level of prosperity. That so many once-penniless guys leave the women who were with them during those lean years for more glamorous gals isn't just a fluke, nor is it the result of men just being insatiable sex fiends

The girl we thought was the best thing since sliced bread when we were in 1st grade back in Omaha, then married at 19, is often unfit for the lives we're embarking on in Manhattan and/or Westwood

That's fair Baron. But there are men who have character enough not to succumb to those things. It is my hope that my son embodies this strength of character, and that he remains steadfast. Temptations are everywhere of course. I have been approached by famous people (for example) undoubtedly for a meaningless roll in the hay, and I was never tempted by such things because I saw those situations for what they were, why would I defile myself in that way? I don't need the validation.

Nor does my son.

I mean look. My first husband owned a very popular nightclub & live music venue. I've seen people chasing that "special high" through cocaine or heroin (or both) too. Sexual pleasure is really not all that different as far as dopamine goes. Different, but not THAT different.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Estee used to be into fitness and she wanted to compete in bikini/physique competitions... Estee got breast implants earlier in life...

In other words, Estee's no more of a typical trad wife than the decorated Delta Force operator who's recently joined the SFPD is a standard rookie in uniform


"I agree with this. In Dallas, it would be very difficult to do"

If you live in MOST of the cities on the following list https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/largest-cities-by-population , Trad Life is going to be almost impossible for anyone who isn't upper upper middle class and all points beyond. Yeah, you can BARELY SCRAPE by on less than that, but let's not forget... Financial strain is one of the leading causes of divorce


"In smaller to mid sized Texas towns, it would be easier to do"

Here's the elephant in the room that we really haven't addressed in frank, lucid terms: Women who are game for Trad Living become more plentiful, IF a fellow is willing to prowl Podunk for a chick to wife up, THEN relocate to some armpit of The US. Where each mayor inevitably ends up being the local HS's ex-team captain, and everyone's idea of a night on the town is listening to these as-ho-es regale them with tales of "that championship season", which is now decades in the past

And that modern day June Cleaver you've put a ring on? Tasty as 'dem pot roasts she whips are, be prepared for the sex to be missionary only and not especially frequent even in the early days(And less so, once kids come into the picture), high cut Fruit Of A Looms to be her idea of "lingerie", and conversations with her to never get much deeper than discussing what happened on Wheel Of Fortune that night

Everything comes at a price, lads, and the cost of turning sitcoms from The 1950s into reality can be quite steep. Know what that price is going in, and think really hard on whether or not you're OK with paying it

 

[SW15]

In other words, Estee's no more of a typical trad wife than the decorated Delta Force operator who's recently joined the SFPD is a standard rookie in uniform

Estee has been criticized for being a fake tradwife because a real tradwife isn't on multiple social media platforms.

If I were in a relationship with someone who presented themselves as a tradwife, I would not want them on multiple social media platforms.

I have never pursued the tradwife type.

A rich guy who leads with money isn't typically going to get the tradwife type. The type of female that likes to get on a boat/yacht is in an IG type bimbo who is not going to be a tradwife.

Women into luxury cars or Rolexes are usually not the tradwife type.

 

[CornbreadFed]

How do the rich and these certain demographics practice marriage?

American media has brainwashed the middle and lower classes that we aren’t that much apart from the rich. Today, your average American thinks there is little differences between them and a person like Elon Musk and that being rich is just having 1 million dollars in a checking account or something. The 1% live in a completely different world than we do and our chances of interacting either them are pretty slim.

 

[SW15]

Today, your average American thinks there is little differences between them and a person like Elon Musk and that being rich is just having 1 million dollars in a checking account or something.

That isn't close to reality.

Having a net worth of $1 million would be good but it's nowhere near Elon Musk or other very wealthy people.

The 1% live in a completely different world than we do

Their realities are different than the realities for most Americans.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Estee has been criticized for being a fake tradwife because a real tradwife isn't on multiple social media platforms

The typical chick one imagines when we hear the word "Trad Wife" isn't someone who either modeled swimwear or was pretty damned close to doing so. What most men who yearn for a Trad Wife are chasing is an illusion most of us got past by 10th grade or so... A virgin who's also somehow thoroughly versed in Kama Sutra*, who's also the greatest mother and chef in human history. In other words, the Trad Wife is the male equivalent of so many women's fantasy man: A multi-billionaire who's also matinee idol handsome AND the most satisfying lover to have ever lived, who's also great with kids and destined to be a superb father to her offspring




*Any gal who was having her picture taken wearing a bikini or less for money has been with a least a coupla guys before we came along. I don't say this a criticism: Just pointing that there are trade offs to every decision we make

 

[MatureDJ]

We needn't even go that far. On average, how many modern day heterosexual men who are in good-excellent physical health(I.E. Their urge to nail everything with a heartbeat is pervasive)yet who married and began fathering kids in their early 20s will be content to confine themselves to one vagina by time the age of say, 28 rolls around?

When it comes to men who achieve significant financial success, begin moving up the social ladder, and thus find themselves surrounded by an abundance of fresh women... Well, the idea that such men will settle for their mousy high school sweetheart at home, and not take up with one of the many hot blooded sex goddesses they've come into contact with is more far-fetched than fever dreams of The White Sox going to The World Series anytime soon

Again, I salute those who can Go Trad at the beginning of their 2nd decades of life and make such unions work. They're an inspiration to us all. I also find it nigh impossible to believe that most really young men in particular will be A-OK with such a lifestyle

I would say that the 60% of single men that are incels would take the offer of a single piece of dependable poon.

 

[MatureDJ]

A lot of relationships fall apart due to a lack of sexual frequency. Even while that marriage was falling apart, the sexual frequency was common. Women usually do not have sex while they are losing attraction for their man and pondering a divorce filing.

It's ALMOST OVER for LowFrequencyCels.

 

[MatureDJ]

Pretty sad honestly. You have a rich wallet but a broke mindset. And no amount of money will fix that

I have the mindset that I'm too short to be able to attract chicks without wallet power.

 

[MatureDJ]

@MatureDJ if you don’t mind me asking, 1) how old are you?, and 2) What did you do or what happened to you in all your years that made you a womanless older man?

I’m asking respectfully.

I'm early Gen-X.

Being at the 2%-ile of height in the white population; this explains everything. At my height, there is a very thin layer of inaccuracy that is allowed - either that, or the gal I get with is crazy.

 

[MatureDJ]

Estee is not chunky she is pregnant, even in her before pics, she has nice thighs and ass, you have to have girth and penis bigger than 3 inches to pound women like her, IMO her body type is my ideal (before the pregnancy)

OK, a pregnant chick is allowed to be chunky.

 

[MatureDJ]

In other words, Estee's no more of a typical trad wife than the decorated Delta Force operator who's recently joined the SFPD is a standard rookie in uniform


"I agree with this. In Dallas, it would be very difficult to do"

If you live in MOST of the cities on the following list https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/largest-cities-by-population , Trad Life is going to be almost impossible for anyone who isn't upper upper middle class and all points beyond. Yeah, you can BARELY SCRAPE by on less than that, but let's not forget... Financial strain is one of the leading causes of divorce


"In smaller to mid sized Texas towns, it would be easier to do"

Here's the elephant in the room that we really haven't addressed in frank, lucid terms: Women who are game for Trad Living become more plentiful, IF a fellow is willing to prowl Podunk for a chick to wife up, THEN relocate to some armpit of The US. Where each mayor inevitably ends up being the local HS's ex-team captain, and everyone's idea of a night on the town is listening to these as-ho-es regale them with tales of "that championship season", which is now decades in the past

And that modern day June Cleaver you've put a ring on? Tasty as 'dem pot roasts she whips are, be prepared for the sex to be missionary only and not especially frequent even in the early days(And less so, once kids come into the picture), high cut Fruit Of A Looms to be her idea of "lingerie", and conversations with her to never get much deeper than discussing what happened on Wheel Of Fortune that night

Everything comes at a price, lads, and the cost of turning sitcoms from The 1950s into reality can be quite steep. Know what that price is going in, and think really hard on whether or not you're OK with paying it

What's wrong with missionary, other the fact that spooning is easier? I get the feeling that chicks prefer spooning with me that way they can't see that I'm short.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I get the feeling that chicks prefer spooning with me that way they can't see that I'm short.

That, or they have no desire to look directly into your eyes, as you groan over all the sh-t you saw women on social media doing over the past week

 

[SW15]

I'm too short to be able to attract chicks without wallet power.

I have no doubt that you are perceiving as too short by most women. Seduction is looks, money, status, and personality.

You have had a looks issue due to height. You are also early Gen X, which means you are pushing 60. Age has been working against you for a while too.

When there's a looks problem, personality can help overcome it. A guy with a height issue would need exceptional charisma. You've never elevated your charisma to that level.

Without height and charisma, you'd need money. At age 60, you would need money to even pull off attracting a past her prime woman of a similar age. 15-20 years younger for you is about 40-45 and that's on the older side too.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I would say that the 60% of single men that are incels would take the offer of a single piece of dependable poon.

When you've been walking through The Sahara with no water(not because there is none, but because you don't know where to find it), guzzling down a barrel of cat piss appears delightful

 

[BaronOfHair]

That's fair Baron. But there are men who have character enough not to succumb to those things. It is my hope that my son embodies this strength of character, and that he remains steadfast

Do your son and DIL intend to live in a rural/rural-esque area, or a major metropolitan corner of the globe? If the latter, once he starts to move up the socioeconomic ladder, he's going to find himself inhabiting a very different mileu than the one he did when his marriage began. The small town gal with strong Catholic values he married when himself barely out of his teens... Will she be compatible with where he's at a decade later? I'm not even talking about sex here: I'm talking about culturally. He's going to be surrounded by women who are Barnard grads fluent in Mandarin, who spent their gap year traipsing around Bali, and it'll be almost impossible for the standard Trad Wife to not seem like a complete yokel by comparison

Not out to be a killjoy. It just seems like we often don't read the fine print in some of these situations we get ourselves into

 

[SW15]

It's ALMOST OVER for LowFrequencyCels.

Men having low sexual frequency are in a bad spot.

Low sexual frequency can happen for unattached men. These are often borderline incels. They aren't true incels because incels have no sex. Low sexual frequency unattached men are men who might have the occasional 1-2 night stand and aren't retaining women. They aren't good at pickup or early stage dating.

Low sexual frequency for attached men is different. These are men in decaying relationships/marriages. The passage of time often is a key reason why sexual frequency dropped. The women in these relationships gradually lost attraction and sexual desire for these men.

These attached men with low sexual frequency are often fearful to file for divorce because they know they lack seduction skill. They don't think they can attract a new woman. These men often weren't successful with women prior to their marriage or long term, unmarried cohabiting relationship. They have reason to perceive things as they do.

It would be better for the men to exit when the sexual frequency drops, reassess their mental state, improve their physique, and start dating again. The next woman is likely not going to be a future tradwife, but it's probably better than the low sex attachment state where they exist now.

 

[SW15]

Will she be compatible with where he's at a decade later? I'm not even talking about sex here: I'm talking about culturally. He's going to be surrounded by women who are Barnard grads fluent in Mandarin, who spent their gap year traipsing around Bali, and it'll be almost impossible for the standard Trad Wife to not seem like a complete yokel by comparison

I'm interested in @BeExcellent 's answer on future geographical plans. I think I can add insight on comparing a tradwife to the woman who describe.

The theoretical woman you describe seems unlikely. Most White, Western women are not going to learn Mandarin. A White woman with foreign language skills who traveled to exotic locales was likely fuccked by high tier guys in exotic locales. She's going to have a lot of issues associated with a high body count female.

The tradwife at home will seem good compared a mid-tier, educated woman who traveled internationally and was pumped and dumped by international top tier guys.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The rich and certain demographics don’t practice clown marriage (romantic model, tingles, fuzzy wuzzies, two individuals playing house).

The further one moves up the food chain, the more common it is to encounter folks who concur wholeheartedly with Tywin Lannister https://www.quotes.net/show-quote/34132 Quote: "If another house can seize one of our own, and hold him captive with impunity, it means we're no longer a house to be feared! Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children. All of us dead, all of us rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on..."

"Keeping it real"/refusing to think of yourself as a brand is a phenomena that runs rampant among the sort of folks who mistake Bernie Sanders(himself a multi-millionaire)for The Second Coming Of Julius Caesar, yearn for "wealth redisturbution"(they want the state to seize someone else's money, then give it to them, WITHOUT having to reciprocate), yet somehow manage to drop a few grand on vinyl each year. Not surprisingly, their views on marriage are equally juvenile