Do you think a man has to be quite wealthy to pull off marrying a tradwife?

[MatureDJ]

Something that I have been noticing is that these gals don't marry the guy that's struggling bringing home the bacon.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

No, you just have to act normal and stop constantly worrying about this nonsense and realize that obsessing about women and what you need to do to get them actually prevents you from getting them in the first place.

A man needs to first believe that he is enough and is worth a woman being with him before a woman will ever believe that.

Too many men don't believe they are worth it. That's the number one issue to get fixed.

If you are worried about how much money you need to get a woman, you still don't get it. And at your age, if that's the case I am starting to wonder if you ever will.

 

[corrector]

No, you just have to act normal and stop constantly worrying about this nonsense and realize that obsessing about women and what you need to do to get them actually prevents you from getting them in the first place.

So you can be broke, unemployed, but just act normal and stop worrying that a tradwife may think it's the guys' duty to provide and when you can't provide for yourself?

A man needs to first believe that he is enough and is worth a woman being with him before a woman will ever believe that.

Is there an on or off switch for that?

Too many men don't believe they are worth it. That's the number one issue to get fixed.

You mean they just have to put the switch on then.

If you are worried about how much money you need to get a woman, you still don't get it. And at your age, if that's the case I am starting to wonder if you ever will.

Would that also work if you were living with your parents?

 

[plumber]

ok, yes they have standards. its only uncomfortable if you don't pass the standards.

realistically to support a tradwife and family, you need to earn eat least 2x the normal. because only one of you is working and the other is doing the wife thing. not as much of a what does the woman want type of thing, more of practicality.

she isn't going to stay home... if the kids don't have what is needed; unless she is lame. she can't be a tradwife unless the guy steps up.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The guys crying about wanting a tradwife do not go to church or network with these religious communities and instead go to bars/clubs and bvtch and moan on the internet. My first ex went to a private Christian university, and I can assure you that there's plenty of conservative women that fit the tradwife stereotype. However, you have to actively put yourself in their community because there is absolutely zero fricking reason for them to step out of their community to meet your typical loser red pilled male.

 

[SW15]

Estee Williams is one of the most well known trad wives with a social media presence.

She has 66,000 subscribers on YouTube and 113,000 subscribers on Instagram.

Her husband is an electrician. He wasn't super wealthy when they met and started dating.

I'm a traditional housewife and I love serving my husband

Estee Williams, 25, from Richmond, Virginia, is a self-proclaimed 'trad wife' who loves nothing more than cooking, cleaning and serving her husband Conner, 25.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It's possible Estee is making money as a social media influencer and not a true tradwife anymore.

The guys crying about wanting a tradwife do not go to church or network with these religious communities and instead go to bars/clubs and bvtch and moan on the internet.

you have to actively put yourself in their community because there is absolutely zero fricking reason for them to step out of their community to meet your typical loser red pilled male.

This is mostly true. Most of these guys are guys who aren't religious. They aren't meeting the types of women who would be interested in getting married and becoming stay-at-home moms. The typical red pilled or black pilled male isn't a hardcore practitioner of a Christian faith. Most of them are infrequent attenders of church services of a Christian church or they never attend.

The active practitioner of a Christian faith is far more likely to have a blue pill ideology.

The typical red pilled guy is a guy trying to get laid at bars, from social media DMs, or on swipe apps. The kinds of women that he meets aren't even close to the types of women that would become tradwives. Most are women who also infrequently/never attend church, most have degrees, and most have jobs/careers.

My first ex went to a private Christian university, and I can assure you that there's plenty of conservative women that fit the tradwife stereotype.

This is likely true. There's a different mating subculture in stricter Christian universities. When I use the term stricter Christian universities, I'm referring to those affiliated with a Protestant denomination, Catholicism, or Mormonism.

Not all Christian universities have a strict enforcement of the sexual rules of Christian faiths. In the Dallas-Fort Worth area, both Texas Christian University (TCU) and Southern Methodist University (SMU) are technically Christian schools. Neither TCU nor SMU strictly enforces rules of Christian dating, like no pre-marital sex. Georgetown University is a well known example of a Catholic university that doesn't enforce the Catholic ban on pre-marital sex.

At these strict religious universities, people tend to get married at 18-22 because they want to start having sex. Men 18-22 have a high sex drive. Engagement or marriage by graduation (Ring by Spring) is a big thing at these universities. They are often starting to have kids by 25-27. The guys in these couples aren't the types of guys who ever make it to SoSuave or similar forums.

 

[zekko]

Nah, not quite wealthy. A lot of the girls who are traditional wife types tend to marry quite young though, at least that's my observation. As long as the guy can make a decent living, and maybe has a few other attractive points, they seem to be happy enough.

 

[sevbucmash]

No. Mail order bridges. Pick them out of proper culture and you got yourself traditional wife.

 

[Solomon]

The guys crying about wanting a tradwife do not go to church or network with these religious communities and instead go to bars/clubs and bvtch and moan on the internet. My first ex went to a private Christian university, and I can assure you that there's plenty of conservative women that fit the tradwife stereotype. However, you have to actively put yourself in their community because there is absolutely zero fricking reason for them to step out of their community to meet your typical loser red pilled male.

Bingo

You gotta be in the places those types of women are at, I live in the , Midwest, and they exist in places most RP guys wouldn't dare put their foot in.

• Church
• Small towns
• Christian Colleges
• Country Clubs

They exist but if you're not a trad guy or try to build a chick Redpill style most men are going to fail. The key with these women is how they were raised and what they value. RP guys want a IG bimbo in looks but act like a submissive trad wife, this is why you always see them on these RP podcasts Good luck trying to turn a bear into a Chihuahua. Guys complaining about the same women they are chasing are delusional to me.

 

[jhonny9546]

@BackInTheGame78 https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/hwg0bt

True high value is specific to you so you need to know yourself to know when you encounter it, but there are some qualities that all men who can be considered high value have in common.

• He needs to be respectful. That bears repeating, he needs to be respectful. Respectful of your boundaries (sexual and otherwise), your emotions, your time, your dreams, fears, and ambitions. He needs to hold you in the utmost regard and if he doesn't do that, he is not high value. That means no repeated behaviours that make you vaguely uncomfortable or stressed, no off-colour comments about you to friends or relatives, no looking down on your career or personal goals, no teasing or jokes that you have to convince yourself are funny. He should be helping build you up rather than wear you down.
• He needs to be financially responsible. Note that I didn't say wealthy, because wealth doesn't mean he'll treat you well and it doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a happy life with him. It also doesn't mean he's financially responsible, there are countless pro athletes who've made millions and gone bankrupt in the space of a few years. Whatever his pay grade, your potential partner should be able to budget and live within his means, pay bills on time, save for the future and not take on unnecessary debt. Mortgages (and student loans if you're American) are difficult to avoid unless you're the 1% and fine as long as they're being paid off on schedule, but he shouldn't be racking up credit card debt, overdrafts, or small loans for things he could have just saved up for. He should also have no problem with you earning and having your own money (this goes back to respect) and I strongly advise against ever becoming totally financially dependent on a man. On the subject of money, he should also have no problem with you earning more than him.
• He should be attractive by your standards. Again, maybe you want a dude who looks like life breathed into an ancient Greek sculpture of the perfect male form, there's nothing wrong with wanting that. But maybe you like slim guys rather than shredded, maybe you like stubble, or a lot of tattoos, or softer facial features. Being over 6' tall gets memed but I don't like men who are too much taller than me, it's inconvenient. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and theres no one way for a person to be attractive. But he should be attractive to you, don't try to force yourself to be into someone just because you feel like you should give them a chance.

Your partner should genuinely make you happy. You shouldn't feel like you're giving up your dreams or selling yourself short to be with him, or hope that the work you're putting into the relationship now will pay off some unspecified date in the future. He should be easy to be around, and have a similar vision of the future so you can share your life with him rather than have your life revolve around his. Whether you want a high-earning career, or to have children and spend a lot of time with them, or sell handcrafts and live out of a van, a man who is high value to you will live those dreams with you and enhance them, not require you to reconsider everything you want so you can fit unobtrusively into his life. And he should always he proud of your successes, supportive of your struggles, and happy for your happiness.

And remember- high value is not a status that's granted early on and then rescinded if he turns out to be a douchebag. It's easy for a guy with ulterior motives to be on his best behaviour for a few dates, or even months or possibly upwards of a year if he's trying to trap you in a relationship. Some abusers don't really turn on you until after the wedding when they're sure you're stuck. Vetting is an ongoing process, don't let red flags slide and never be afraid to admit you misjudged someone and walk away, you're never in too deep to decide a relationship isn't working for you.

Some good some bad. You may find truth in between.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Much of what is stated in this thread is true. My son is married to a trad wife. He is 22, she is 21. They met at age 10 and 9 in catholic school in a small town in the Midwest. Her family is Catholic. They started dating at 17 and 16. He went to college, she went to work after high school in pre school education. She is bright but has not gone to college. They did not live together before getting married. She lost her virginity to him while they were dating, then they later decided to refrain from sex until marriage. They discussed this stuff with me after they got engaged in the fall of my son's senior year in college.

He graduated in May, they were married in a beautiful Catholic wedding in June. He converted to Catholiscism and they went through the required premarital counseling that the Catholic church mandates. She will give birth to their first child in 8 weeks or so. He is a commissioned military officer and they live on base. They have met wonderful friends and built a support network there. He is making good money and he is constantly looking at how best to invest and strategize ways to create wealth. They are best friends.

He will pursue a master's degree and she may seek an undergrad degree on his GI bill. They are doing life the way my grandparents did: together.

But look at what my son brings to the table and where he found his wife: He is an ambitious young man with a well defined goal for the future. He is also fit. good looking, stylish and socially adroit. He is short, maybe 5'8" in shoes. She is petite, 5'2", pretty, sweet, kind, and entirely supportive of him. She is a small town Catholic girl with good values.

I really like my daughter-in-law. She is well suited to him. Funny enough, all his player buddies from school want a solid relationship like he has.

He tells his friends that perhaps they need to consider adjusting their values and where they are meeting women....and he tells them they need to have their lives together themselves. His best man gets it, and will likely be the next one to marry....and one of his high school buddies the same age got married this past year.

So the trad wife thing is alive and well out there. But they aren't at bars very often and they do have standards a man will need to meet.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

If you are worried about how much money you need to get a woman, you still don't get it.

Props to you good sir.

 

[BaronOfHair]

No, but he does need a few bucks in his pocket to keep her clothed and fed, unless necropolia with Skeletora is his idea of a fun time

 

[SW15]

You gotta be in the places those types of women are at...and they exist in places most RP guys wouldn't dare put their foot in.

• Church
• Small towns
• Christian Colleges
• Country Club

The first three are places where most red pill guys aren't likely to be.

I want to talk about the 4th one, which is country clubs.

It's possible that a red pill guy could be a country club member. A red pill guy could join a country club if he is a golfer or tennis player. Country clubs typically feature golf, tennis, and swimming. If a man just swims laps, it's not worth it to join a country club for solely the lap swimming. Swimming alone can be done at a gym like LA Fitness, as many gyms have weights and an indoor pool. The guy needs to either golf or play tennis to justify the country club.

Country clubs are not known for having much of a never married, childless single population from 22-39. Fewer never married, childless females golf and play tennis. I am a tennis player and gender ratios of skilled tennis players in their 20s/30s are far more male than female.

Country club members are typically married people or previously married divorcees. There are upscale single mom divorcees who play tennis at country clubs or racquet clubs (imagine a country club without golf).

If a childless, never married woman 22-39 years old were to be a member at a country club, it is likely because she has enough income or family money to pay the membership fees and she plays golf and/or tennis. That's a difficult woman to find. If she exists, her bachelor's degrees + and career accomplishments wouldn't be associated with the type of woman who would be a tradwife.

It might be possible for a very young man to meet a very young woman at a country club, but it would likely happen while both are in high school/college and their parents were paying the membership fees for the country club.

if you're not a trad guy or try to build a chick Redpill style most men are going to fail. The key with these women is how they were raised and what they value. RP guys want a IG bimbo in looks but act like a submissive trad wife, this is why you always see them on these RP podcasts Good luck trying to turn a bear into a Chihuahua. Guys complaining about the same women they are chasing are delusional to me.

RP guys are not going to get an IG thot in looks with behaviors of a trad wife.

I think churches and Christian colleges are probably the best places to find a future trad wife. That's also best done when a man is on the younger side, typically under 24-27.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Funny enough, all his player buddies from school want a solid relationship like he has.

Damned near everyone in America wanted to turn Iraq, and before that South Vietnam, into becons of democracy. Large segments of our society STILL cling to the delusion that a War On Drugs will some day bring about a utopia free of junkies

Goes without saying, our fantasies and reality are often less compatible with one another than Antonin Yelchin and an open casket funeral

 

[BeExcellent]

You know @BaronOfHair you are well reasoned, albiet in a rather deranged & disturbing way. And I mean that in the most polite way possible. Entertaining but nevertheless deranged & disturbing. I wonder if you are in the entertainment industry producing or writing for zombie scripts, lol. You are a macabe soul, lol.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I wonder if you are in the entertainment industry producing or writing for zombie scripts, lol

I'm more partial to Eldritch abominations

All levity aside, BE: While I'm delighted to read that this seems to be working out for your son and DIL, I'm not convinced that this sort of arrangement is viable for most folks in The Post-Industrial West. Asking most red-blooded heterosexual MEN to get hitched in their early 20s, and remain content for perhaps the next 6 or more decades, seems like more of a long shot than Arnie cranking out another Terminator movie that's at least watchable before he croaks

 

[SW15]

My son is married to a trad wife. He is 22, she is 21. They met at age 10 and 9 in catholic school in a small town in the Midwest. Her family is Catholic. They started dating at 17 and 16. He went to college, she went to work after high school in pre school education. She is bright but has not gone to college. They did not live together before getting married. She lost her virginity to him while they were dating, then they later decided to refrain from sex until marriage. They discussed this stuff with me after they got engaged in the fall of my son's senior year in college.

Almost no one meets a long term partner through grade school now. Even college has been falling off as a way of meeting someone for an LTR ever since the Millennials starting arriving on college campuses in the early 2000s.

He graduated in May, they were married in a beautiful Catholic wedding in June. He converted to Catholiscism and they went through the required premarital counseling that the Catholic church mandates. She will give birth to their first child in 8 weeks or so. He is a commissioned military officer and they live on base. They have met wonderful friends and built a support network there. He is making good money and he is constantly looking at how best to invest and strategize ways to create wealth. They are best friends.

Since it has just turned to May 2025, I am guessing you mean that he graduated in May 2024. They got married in June 2024.

If they got married in June 2024, she got pregnant not long after the wedding day.

look at what my son brings to the table and where he found his wife: He is an ambitious young man with a well defined goal for the future. He is also fit. good looking, stylish and socially adroit. He is short, maybe 5'8" in shoes. She is petite, 5'2", pretty, sweet, kind, and entirely supportive of him. She is a small town Catholic girl with good values.

If your son is 5'7"-5'8", then he would have had difficulty dating without a social circle. Guys 5'8" and below get destroyed at bars and on dating apps when they lack social circles and rely upon stranger approaches and app swiping. Socially adroit helps to a point with strangers but the threshold is much higher to impress without social connections.

I've not run into many small town Catholic women with good values in the big cities where I've spent most of adulthood.

He tells his friends that perhaps they need to consider adjusting their values and where they are meeting women....and he tells them they need to have their lives together themselves. His best man gets it, and will likely be the next one to marry....and one of his high school buddies the same age got married this past year.

So the trad wife thing is alive and well out there. But they aren't at bars very often and they do have standards a man will need to meet.

Trad wives can be found at churches and strict Christian/Catholic colleges. They aren't going to be found at bars, gyms, malls, and grocery stores in big cities. In big cities, it's possible to find a decent monogamous girlfriend in those venues but she's not going to be trad. Additionally, while she might be a decent girlfriend, she might not be wife material.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Guys complaining about the same women they are chasing are delusional to me.

Add to that:

"Trad Wives", in the way we envision them today, have almost always been a phenomena exclusive to the landed gentry or(later on) the exceptionally rich

As someone else on this thread pointed out: It's almost impossible to support more than yourself on one income in any major metropolitan area. And very few guys have any desire to marry some hillbilly broad in South Dakota, who's indifferent to her man's bank account, but eager to have someone other than a half-brother sire her offspring