"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Do you have women as beta orbiters?

JohnyTheArrow

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I have fat chick as my beta orbiter.She is really funny and easy going.She texts me often despite me ignoring most of her text until Im really bored then I talk with her.She likes most of my post and pictures despite me giving her very little attention.She is very patient with me despite me ignoring her but I give her attention she drops everything to listen to me.She often sends me smiles to spark conversation but I treat her like invisible as I know she isnt nice she want me to **** her and the thought of it makes me 'ugh'.But I tolerate her as she works in interesting company and I may use her in future.

The shvt is funny as hell.I realized beta orbiting is natural for both males and females, it is all about your special value.If men had more value they would have female orbiters and women would be treated as they treat us.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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mangotot

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For whatever reason, in the future, you may end up doing the deed with her. In the same way as a male orbiter getting lucky once in a blue moon.
 

LMFAO

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I've had girls who were looking to orbit or get closer in the past. That said I don't see much value in it aside from using them to meet and fvck their friends. Men have no need for orbiters in the way women do, women use them for some attention/validation when they are bored. Men have little to no use for that. Do I want to get text messages and calls from a girl I get disgusted by and continue leading her on for no good reason aside from validating myself? No.

I have some female friends and it is clear we are friends, but I have no need for orbiters as it doesn't help me in any way.

I know I'm the sh!t and I don't need some fat girl to tell me that.
 

SmooveMooves

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Yes. They're usually below average chicks who're incredibly easy going with fun personalities and generally just really good people.

You often find yourself saying: Man, if she did {A} or {B} I'd date her, and she'd be wife material.

I know way to many of these chicks Fam... Smh
 

MillionBillionaire

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What's the point in getting validation from a fat chick when there isn't even anyone around to notice social proof?

I have a few female orbiters at the club witch I use for social proof.. set them up as a home base.. I always roll solo because I know that my buds will be at the club along with a few women that want to play grab azz with me when I arrive.

Other than that.. they don't have my number and we don't talk outside the club.

Orbiters are for females.. a real man has no need for mindless and meaningless attention and validation.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Desdinova

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mangotot said:
For whatever reason, in the future, you may end up doing the deed with her. In the same way as a male orbiter getting lucky once in a blue moon.
I had a fat chick orbiter. That ended after she came over with booze, got me drunk, and hopped on top of me. Free booze and a wet pu55y? How could I turn that down? :cheer:

She's currently mad at me because I still don't want a relationship with her.

My only advice for keeping a female orbiter around is if she brings up the subject of dating, let her know you're NOT interested in her that way. If later she tries to talk 5hit about you, you have that card to play.

MillionBillionaire said:
What's the point in getting validation from a fat chick when there isn't even anyone around to notice social proof?
It has nothing to do with validation, unless that's what you need. I simply get along well with women, and I don't mind keeping them around for friends. Not only that, they're pretty reliable friends... until they try to fvck you or end up with a BF who doesn't want her around you.

My former orbiter came over to take care of me when I had a bad cold. That 5hit is awesome, and I'm gonna take it when it comes my way.
 

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I try to be nice etc with female orbiters because you never know, they may introduce you to your future wife/bang.

Besides, sometimes they can also suggest and interesting plan or activity you may like as well.

Anyway, if they are really really ugly I try to avoid them, but if they are just plain ugly I do what I wrote above.

And yes, I've had a few beta girls orbiting around me, texting me etc. I try to be nice, but I do not lead them on.
 

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LMFAO said:
I've had girls who were looking to orbit or get closer in the past. That said I don't see much value in it aside from using them to meet and fvck their friends. Men have no need for orbiters in the way women do, women use them for some attention/validation when they are bored. Men have little to no use for that. Do I want to get text messages and calls from a girl I get disgusted by and continue leading her on for no good reason aside from validating myself? No.

I have some female friends and it is clear we are friends, but I have no need for orbiters as it doesn't help me in any way.

I know I'm the sh!t and I don't need some fat girl to tell me that.
Thread winner.
 

MillionBillionaire

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Desdinova said:
I had a fat chick orbiter. That ended after she came over with booze, got me drunk, and hopped on top of me. Free booze and a wet pu55y? How could I turn that down? :cheer:

She's currently mad at me because I still don't want a relationship with her.

My only advice for keeping a female orbiter around is if she brings up the subject of dating, let her know you're NOT interested in her that way. If later she tries to talk 5hit about you, you have that card to play.



It has nothing to do with validation, unless that's what you need. I simply get along well with women, and I don't mind keeping them around for friends. Not only that, they're pretty reliable friends... until they try to fvck you or end up with a BF who doesn't want her around you.

My former orbiter came over to take care of me when I had a bad cold. That 5hit is awesome, and I'm gonna take it when it comes my way.


Understood. I guess that if it were me I want to be left alone when I am sick and have my mom take care of me not some fat orbiter that is half in love with me.

Now if I had a ton of hb9 orbiters that would be a different story but for most guys like us.. an orbiter is just that... "friend" material.
 

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I have one at the moment who is always trying different ways to get me to her place, always trying to meet up with me at some point late at night during the weekend, always asking me out. It's a shame that she's so entertaining to talk to and yet she does almost nothing for me sexually. I met up with her several weekends ago at a bar, and she nearly pinned my head to a wall, holding it with both hands as she tried to go in for a sloppy, drunken kiss.

After denying her the kiss, in a sudden outburst of pent up frustration, she tried her hand at dread game with me, telling me "that's it - I can't do this anymore. I'm going to go find myself another guy" as I stood there unfazed, hoping she would land herself a guy who'd give her everything I have no interest in providing for her. Experiencing something like that does help me empathize more with girls who deal with guys forcing themselves onto them, and augments my sense of disgust for male orbiters in particular.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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