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Do you guys "kiss goodbye" at the end of 1st/2nd date?

Huffman

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I think I've never kissed a new girl at the end of a date. It always seemed weird to me - why escalate to a kiss and then leave? I mean, for a kiss I will get her into a comfortable position, escalate and then it just happens naturally etc, but not as a quick goodbye. The goodbye situation is always a little awkward, and it seemed a very bad time to go for the first kiss to me.

Reason I'm asking: Just went out on a date with a girl, intended drinks+walk in the park at night. Was cold&raining though, so it ended up just drinks. I did only a little kino but her eyes were speaking volumes... anyway, she digs me and so on.

Now we said goodbye in the middle of a subway station. I just hugged her and left. This is my standard procedure (if we're not lovers yet), but she turned her head a little strangely and I got the feeling she was expecting a kiss.

No big deal, for all I know she'll be wondering why I didn't kiss her and I'll make it right next date. But still, what's your routine and why?
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Huffman said:
I think I've never kissed a new girl at the end of a date. It always seemed weird to me - why escalate to a kiss and then leave? I mean, for a kiss I will get her into a comfortable position, escalate and then it just happens naturally etc, but not as a quick goodbye. The goodbye situation is always a little awkward, and it seemed a very bad time to go for the first kiss to me.

Reason I'm asking: Just went out on a date with a girl, intended drinks+walk in the park at night. Was cold&raining though, so it ended up just drinks. I did only a little kino but her eyes were speaking volumes... anyway, she digs me and so on.

Now we said goodbye in the middle of a subway station. I just hugged her and left. This is my standard procedure (if we're not lovers yet), but she turned her head a little strangely and I got the feeling she was expecting a kiss.

No big deal, for all I know she'll be wondering why I didn't kiss her and I'll make it right next date. But still, what's your routine and why?
Time to leave the 50's mentality and enter the 21st century. It's awkward becuase you are thinking about it too much. The kiss is an interest gauge.

I almost always try to kiss on the first date if I have interest because she'll either block/turn her head, or kiss you. It's a filter. No kiss means she's not interested, and a kiss means she's willing to see what's up.

There's always rare exceptions to any circumstance, but try to think of a kiss as a way for you to gauge her interest as she is most certainly using to gauge you.
 

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Hm. Might be right. Actually I thought that whole kiss-at-the-end was just a cliché from Teenie movies. Me being from Germany, I thought it was a very American thing and not REALLY a big thing where I'm from. I think I've got a good gut feeling and can usually gauge interest during the date. But it would have been good to send a clear signal to her.

Guess I just had a couple of awkward moments when I was younger and stopped considering it...
 

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Don't kiss at the end. Kiss halfway through. She will warm up faster and it can possibly turn into a same night lay. If you were too nervous to do it during the date then do it at the end. As said above it's an interest gauge. If she isn't down you saved yourself a lot of bs and you next her. If you KNOW she likes you 100% you can tease her by almost going in for it but then "changing your mind." She will be thinking about you nonstop and be dying for the actual kiss.

I only use that one if I'm slow playing a chick. Don't have time for that these days so I just go in for the kill when the moments right.
 

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You should be kissing her before the end of any date.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I NEVER kiss a girl on the first or even 2nd or 3rd date - read POOK's comments below, depending on if you APPEAR to be 'Player-like' exterior or 'Niceguy-like' exterior. I kiss the woman WHEN I FEEL I WANT TO - she has to wait and PROVE to me that she's worth my emotional and physical investment.

This makes the woman sexually frustrated over time and when I am READY she will have no more b!tch shield left. But remember, I am into LTR women - this DOES NOT work for One Night Stand or short-term flings. Because I have a 'Player-like' exterior and only go after quality women, not escalating physically right away gives her time to GET RID of her perception that I may BE A PLAYER (which I am not - a nice guy inside).

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ANTI-DUMP'S MACHINE Part VIII - Become a Mystery!

Flirting and Creating Interest by POOK

On the Internet, some males advocate a MALE FLIRTING. However, they do not call it flirting. They call it ‘creating interest’. They even think they are CONTROLLING the girl by doing this.

Girls also believe they don’t exactly FLIRT. They just ‘create interest’ and many of them think they CONTROL the guy. We know they’re wrong. So why is there so much hostility that guys running around trying to ‘create’ interest might be flawed too? (Because it shatters their sense of CONTROL). With seduction, to become a physical dildo to her you must become her emotional dildo. After all, she still has no true interest in you. This is the Ross Jefferies way.

Listen to what Anti-Dump says on ‘flirting’ or ‘creating interest’.

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Quote by Anti-Dump:

Flirting was invented by women as an attention-seeking device. Society tells a woman that it is improper to ask a man out. So women flirt to get your attention to let you know, non verbally, of their ROMANTIC interest in you.

It is not necessary for a man to flirt. He doesn't have to 'telegraph' his romantic interest. That's because HE does the asking out. Men are very confused in this area. Flirting is for women.
You 'telegraph' your romantic interest in a woman by asking for her HOME phone number. That is the male 'flirting' so to speak.


Anti-Dump was one that didn’t believe in ‘kino’. There is a post by me in the hall of fame about kino. I NEVER do kino at first now.

Kino is PERFECT for the Nice Guy because it turns him into a sexual being. It is bad for Pook NOW because women already see Pook as a sexual being. By kinoing them now, I just display way too much interest (girls will take it almost as desperation. “This sexy as sin guy HAD to touch me. I’ve GOT him.”

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When you ask for the number she will automatically know you are interested in her romantically.

If you don't ask, you are in danger of falling in the friend zone. That's because you didn't 'flirt' by asking for the number.

You didn't let her know your true feelings: To ask her out.

So just have a simple, lively, non flirting conversation and then ask the girl for the number as soon as possible.

The same applies as far as dates go. Each call for a date 'telegraphs' to her that you are very interested. Or else why did you ask her out? Because you are very interested.

You just don't put it into words.

At the end of each date I usually say something like "I had a great time jet-skiing". I look directly into her eyes. She knows you are talking about her. You give indirect indicators of you liking her. You kiss her passionately, at times you hold her passionately. Never TELL her how you feel IN WORDS during the first two months. Try waiting until the third month. That would be much, much better.

You NEVER try to create romantic interest. Big mistake. SHE HAS TO BE ALREADY INTERESTED.

You don't have to impress her. She should already be impressed by you. Or else why did she accept the date? Not to kill a boring night I hope.

You don't create interest. It has to be there or you drop her and start again.

When a man flirts it works against him. He is 'telegraphing' too much romantic interest. Much too much.
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At workplaces and classes, there are MANY guys that flirt around. WHY? Because it is risk-free. They do not get shot down and EVERY WOMAN loves having a guy ‘flirt’ with her. It gives her attention.

When I am interested in a girl, I ASK THEM OUT. This creates a response in the girl that you’ll never get by flirting with her (if you flirt hard enough, she thinks you are going to ask her out. When you don’t, WATCH OUT. She will despise you).

Most guys here are making it harder than it actually is. You do not have to become some mythical ‘alpha male’. You don’t need to play a ‘Psychological Chess’ with them. You don’t have to have society in awe of you. You just have to simply go ask them out. Instead of facing this simple fact, we spit out and regurgitate ‘alpha male’ manifestos, treatises on women and society, and so on.

The challenge is not You VERSUS the Woman. It is not You VERSUS the WORLD. It is always You VERSUS You. The only roadblock to make your dreams become reality is within you.

Correct yourself and the world gets corrected.
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Yep. I have a nice guy exterior so I have to kiss on the first date or else I get labeled as too nice. It's all situational.

If you're a "nice guy", not necessarily AFC, then you need to make an effort to go in for the kill early or she will lump you in the AFC category.

If you look and act like a player, you should take your time.

Since Exodus is going for LTR, he wants to make sure the girl is 100% worth his time. Since I am going for a short term fling, I go in ASAP because I'm not looking to settle down.

Decide on what you want. If it's a quick piece of ass, kiss early. If it's a LTR, wait a few dates.
 

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Cheers guys. By the way, I'm using public transport all the time. So usually the Goodbye is at a busy metro station with lots of people whizzing past me and my date.

It's not a very private place. Would you still go for the first kiss there?
 

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I have gotten good at a "kiss close" and let me tell you I believe it is powerful. If you do it right, I think you can leave her wet and wanting you...

I am not talking about a make out session: just good eye contact, touch the face or hair, nice soft kiss on the lips. This can be very quick. I haven't been refused yet.
 

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Anyone who tries to definitively answer this question one way or the other is a moron. The whole idea of a date or being out with a woman is flow and spontaneity.. Not trying to "do" anything. There are some situations where you may kiss (or bang) a girl on the first date. There are some girls who you might just hug. You have to be connecting with her in order to feel what is natural.. If you are having the date and thinking "now if x happens im going to do y" then you are most likely having a sh!tty time.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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