"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do you flake on girls you're seeing?

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I sometimes find myself not in the mood to want to be around people, usually due to tiredness or headaches or irritation or something and just wanna go to the gym and relax after work.

Do you find it counter productive to flake on plates or any girl you've established something with? Not really talking about first dates nor am I talking about intentionally flaking for its own sake, but with girls you're already seeing and just want a night off from.

In my limited experience with doing this, it seems like they find flakes/reschedules off putting, especially if your reasoning is feeling "crummy" or something.
 
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Over the years, I have only done this infrequently. I would be interested to see if other men have done it more than I have.
 

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Over the years, I have only done this infrequently. I would be interested to see if other men have done it more than I have.
The last time I did this, the girl in question seemed to lose interest gradually after and we petered out, despite high interest from her early on. With that same girl, I had also refused to stay overnight at her place. The combination of those two things seemingly made her lose interest, though maybe it was something else entirely.

Anyway, I keep hearing the term "comfort game" and its an interesting concept. I think some guys are too aloof and the women interpret their aloofness as uninterested or unreliable or something.
 
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The last time I did it the girl seemed to lose interest gradually after and we we petered out, despite high interest from her early on. With that same girl, I had also refused to stay overnight at her place. The combination of those two things seemingly made her lose interest, though maybe it was something else entirely.

Anyway, I keep hearing the term "comfort game" and its an interesting concept. I think some guys are too aloof and the women interpret their aloofness as uninterested or unreliable or something.
Aloof is good. I recommend it. Too aloof can be bad.

When I have flaked on a woman before sex, it's because I found out something about her somehow that was bad. A big time deal breaker.

I only once postponed a first date with a woman by 30 minutes due to something at work running late.

I can't count how many times I've been ghosted or flaked on when I wanted more.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Aloof is good. I recommend it. Too aloof can be bad.

When I have flaked on a woman before sex, it's because I found out something about her somehow that was bad. A big time deal breaker.

I only once postponed a first date with a woman by 30 minutes due to something at work running late.

I can't count how many times I've been ghosted or flaked on when I wanted more.
Patrice O'Neal said it well....the best relationship is one where the women is just a little bit insecure. You need the right mix of aloofness and comfort, or aggression and tenderness. Yin yang ****.

I always act extremely aloof and indifferent quite frankly because I am. Places like these forums insist that sheer indifference will make them chase you but in my experience that is quite simply not the case with some women. I think I already give off enough "apathetic vibes" as it is.
 
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Yes. You must flake on her once during the first few dates. Destroy that ego of hers.
 

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Absolutely, all the time, sometimes a whole month can go by with me flaking/finding excuses to not hang out with them.

Nothing personal but I'm not a people person and I'm very aloof and introverted with a devil may care attitude. And to be fair, I flake on my homeboys as well lol shrugs.

It never seemed to hurt my game at all, they keep calling/texting and trying to reschedule with me before I get a chance to reschedule lol.

The girl I'm dating now just told me yesterday that she is getting frustrated with me and is going to kidnap me when she gets back in town lol.
 

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Yes. You must flake on her once during the first few dates. Destroy that ego of hers.
I often do on first dates but I'm talking more about girls you're already seeing (plates, GFs, etc).
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Yes. Gotta mix it up. Can't always be available. Otherwise....B-O-R-I-N-G. Remember it's a game.
 

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Patrice O'Neal said it well....the best relationship is one where the women is just a little bit insecure. You need the right mix of aloofness and comfort, or aggression and tenderness. Yin yang ****.

I always act extremely aloof and indifferent quite frankly because I am. Places like these forums insist that sheer indifference will make them chase you but in my experience that is quite simply not the case with some women. I think I already give off enough "apathetic vibes" as it is.
That's because you can't fit all women into 1 category and use a "1 size fits all" approach. If you're dating a high caliber woman, flaking on her once or twice may work but if she's in high demand, she's not going to put up with it for very long. The opposite goes for low value women.

Yes it can be counter productive. Some girls cant handle rejection.
This. Women take rejection WAY worse than men.
 

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This. Women take rejection WAY worse than men.
Especially once they begin investing in you after a few good dates and you've already bedded them...

I've had multiple instances of a woman, once I voiced my decision to stop seeing her, saying something along the lines to me of "I have never been rejected before..." with a utterly confused and shocked look on their face. Fvcks them up, especially the hotter ones.

Women are so used to being the choosers and the one's who flake on hordes of men vying for their attention, that when the script is flipped, it's traumatizing for many of them. Unfortunately, this makes them more flaky in the future and less likely to invest in the next guy, but that's the game.
 

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Especially once they begin investing in you after a few good dates and you've already bedded them...

I've had multiple instances of a woman, once I voiced my decision to stop seeing her, saying something along the lines to me of "I have never been rejected before..." with a utterly confused and shocked look on their face. Fvcks them up, especially the hotter ones.

Women are so used to being the choosers and the one's who flake on hordes of men vying for their attention, that when the script is flipped, it's traumatizing for many of them. Unfortunately, this makes them more flaky in the future and less likely to invest in the next guy, but that's the game.
Not trying to intentionally 1-up you, but it reminded me of my ex and how she would tear up sometimes when I would pass up on sex. I had to make up **** like I didn't feel well or was too drunk just to make her feel better.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I'd say personalities that are naturally aloof don't need to flake. But flaking/ignoring etc helps keep them inline no matter how long you have known them. Use sparingly and to your advantage. Always good to keep their emotional hamster spinning a little.
 
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