Do you believe that internal belief systems are more powerful than game itself?

[itouchyou]

I started questioning the idea of dating itself.

Why do men need "experience" in order to learn how to behave around women? Women don't need "experience" in order to know how to behave around men.

Why can't men just believe certain things about themselves so strongly that their behavior just comes off naturally?

I think the whole premise of dating is flawed.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Women don't need "experience" in order to know how to behave around men.

Yeah they do

They're not even averse to looking over one another's shoulder

To enhance their own appeal. Insofar as your general query goes:

Being conscious of and altering one's internal beliefs is a key component of "game"

 

[quodlibet]

20 year ago, I was a hopeless incel. Right now, I've been in a relationship for 3 years and it'll probably end up in a marriage.

Looking back, this is certain: INNER GAME is 90%. Once you have this, you don't need tactics. You just do you and some women will be attracted.

PUA and dating coaches hate what I've said because they think they can teach you to act a certain way. But give women credit: they are more intuitive and perceptive than you can possibly imagine. They know when you're putting on some stupid alpha male act. They can sense when your actions are incongruent with your beliefs.

I'd even argue PUA advice is actually destructive because it teaches you that you aren't good enough. You need a fascade. That's the opposite of improving inner game.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Former incel here. Made the most progress switching locations and not being scared of women because of red pill doomerism. Confidence naturally just increased plus I had to lax my tight strict standards at first.

 

[Captain Redbeard]

To answer the question in the title: yes. Having strong frame is the best game you can have.

However, experience is the most important factor in developing that frame. Both experience with women and life itself.

Enjoy the journey

 

[BPH]

Why do men need "experience" in order to learn how to behave around women?

Because men are in competition with each other for women. If their current behavior does not lead to success, then they need to alter that behavior. Otherwise, historically, their bloodline would not continue.

Women don't need "experience" in order to know how to behave around men.

Because women don't need "game", they just need to look good enough to attract the men they want. The experience they need is the proper application of their makeup and clothes.

Why can't men just believe certain things about themselves so strongly that their behavior just comes off naturally?

Because their perception may not match reality. If you were to look at how a seasoned salesman handles himself compared to a newbie, the difference is night and day: how they screen customers, handle objections, steer the conversation, etc. They can both have the internal belief that they're the world's best salesman, but one is much closer to the reality of that thought than the other.

Confidence in a belief is built off of a track record of success - not a hypothesis that's never been tested.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@BPH "Because their perception may not match reality. If you were to look at how a seasoned salesman handles himself compared to a newbie, the difference is night and day: how they screen customers, handle objections, steer the conversation, etc. They can both have the internal belief that they're the world's best salesman, but one is much closer to the reality of that thought than the other"

We're all action heroes in our own imaginations, UNTIL actual bullets start whizzing through the air, the person sitting 1 inch away from us gets their skull blasted open, and we have to fend off a murderous adversary in RL

 

[Gamisch]

I started questioning the idea of dating itself.

Why do men need "experience" in order to learn how to behave around women? Women don't need "experience" in order to know how to behave around men.

Why can't men just believe certain things about themselves so strongly that their behavior just comes off naturally?

I think the whole premise of dating is flawed.

Because men are the hunters and women are the prey .

A gazelle doesn't have to think about how to subdue a lion. All they have to worry about is whether the lion is there to harm them or not. Kinda flawed metaphor because the gazelle ( women) sometimes ofcourse DO want the "lion"( men) to hunt them but you get what Im saying.

And to be completely frank( no insult) its also kinda trying to dodge reality/ responsibility . EVERY woman I've ever dealt with taught me something unique, a new angle about shyte I didn't knew about the game. And I mean every woman, so it compounds and by now it might be more than thousand women I've interacted with in my life. Sometimes a lesson gets repeated because woman # 200 and woman #400 display the same characteristics, confirming the lesson.
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You ask if it possible to "just be you and discard the game entirely " . Yes some men will be lucky and go straight from home to marriage and find a sweet angel who is loyal and live happily ever after. Most men however will sooner or later find out that they've lacked the necessary skills and experience to recognise certain signals that would be detrimental . I've been with my ex for years and in the beginning I was God tier to her ,but at the end she had to get rid of me so she could ride the c0ck carrousel. My mistake was lack of actual knowledge about "the game" , thus I was unable to detach and accept the reality of the situation.

Being a man is like being a character in a video game ; you start with no skills, and the more you play the stronger you'll become. You gotta KNOW that you understand the game. Eventually you will have to learn the lessons, there's no way around it. Thats how life operates

 

[plumber]

generally we would not need dating. dating is a chance to market and present false. as we improve our skills at deception and even convince ourself of the same more and more women (and men) will believe the false presentation. experience is learning what not to do and what to do. adjust from reality until results happen. fake it until make it. think... what should i tell the girl to get her compliance. if i tell her something that is natural for me she rejects. so i have to learn dating skills and tell her something different. rejection is pain.

level two: self is modified and actually feelings and desires are changed this is not game, this is improvement. not much dating is needed as the supply is already lined up. confidence comes from ability. rejection is fuel.

 

[MatureDJ]

Internal Game Cope.