Used car salesmen being the "pickup gurus" out there. There's just so many guys out there and basically they're all peddling the same garbage. I mean you can find some use in it but for the most part it all gets pretty repetitive. "Tap her on the shoulder, lean back with a 62 foot long handkercheif hanging from your pocket with a boa constrictor wrapped around your neck. Tell her stories of how you fought off an elephant with only a q-tip and a box of apple jacks to show you're dominant and can tell a great story." And oh yeah ask her if she thinks Steven Tyler looked hot while he was having his imaginary fight with Simon Cowell outside. COME ON! They're SALESMEN plain and simple. And damn good ones because I know they've gotten millions off the guys on this board alone. For those of you out there that know the catalog of these guys A-Z: please tell me who you've found that changed your life.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Do you actually find these used car salesmen helpful?
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
killahpl
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Most of these guys I don't find helpful, no. Maybe that's because I probably have more emotional baggage than many other guys.
That being said, one guy who I can't recommend enough is Mike Pilinski, author of "Without Embarassment" and "She's your for the Taking." His stuff is awesome because it is PRACTICAL and his books have helped me to start dealing with some of the emotional issues I had. One time, I even wrote him this long, sad e-mail and he took the time and actually wrote a long e-mail back, and I can't stress how much I appreciate and respect that.
Sorry, I just don't myself approaching strange girls in bars, BUT even having to hold down two jobs, I can still make it to at least one party a week (usually on a Saturday night) and approach the girls there. And this is where I can use Pilinski's stuff.
However, I don't know how useful his book is to guys who have self-confidence, who don't have emotional and/or mental problems and just need to work on their outer game.
That being said, one guy who I can't recommend enough is Mike Pilinski, author of "Without Embarassment" and "She's your for the Taking." His stuff is awesome because it is PRACTICAL and his books have helped me to start dealing with some of the emotional issues I had. One time, I even wrote him this long, sad e-mail and he took the time and actually wrote a long e-mail back, and I can't stress how much I appreciate and respect that.
Sorry, I just don't myself approaching strange girls in bars, BUT even having to hold down two jobs, I can still make it to at least one party a week (usually on a Saturday night) and approach the girls there. And this is where I can use Pilinski's stuff.
However, I don't know how useful his book is to guys who have self-confidence, who don't have emotional and/or mental problems and just need to work on their outer game.
everywomanshero
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96% garbage rate. Then again I've never purchased anything from any of them because I am too cheap. There are some things that were useful to me
1) DYD Advanced Seminar. Brent has some good stuff on there and some of the other speakers were funny. It's worth seeing.
2) Swingcatt stated "no matter how she's reacting, she's always wanting and reaching for more of you". This has been worth it's weight in gold to me on multiple occasions when all the signs pointed to her not being down (leaning away, not responding to touching gimmicks, sitting as far away as possible, etc), I kept this statement in my head and as a result got the lay and things were always far less icy afterwards.
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Most of the useful stuff I've had to come up with on my own through experience--trial and error. I'm not sure if most of the authors believe their own bull**** or not, but it doesn't make it smell any better even if they do.
1) DYD Advanced Seminar. Brent has some good stuff on there and some of the other speakers were funny. It's worth seeing.
2) Swingcatt stated "no matter how she's reacting, she's always wanting and reaching for more of you". This has been worth it's weight in gold to me on multiple occasions when all the signs pointed to her not being down (leaning away, not responding to touching gimmicks, sitting as far away as possible, etc), I kept this statement in my head and as a result got the lay and things were always far less icy afterwards.
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Most of the useful stuff I've had to come up with on my own through experience--trial and error. I'm not sure if most of the authors believe their own bull**** or not, but it doesn't make it smell any better even if they do.
killahpl
Don Juan
Not to derail the theread, but can you elaborate on this? Perhaps via PM. Thanks!everywomanshero said:2) Swingcatt stated "no matter how she's reacting, she's always wanting and reaching for more of you". This has been worth it's weight in gold to me on multiple occasions when all the signs pointed to her not being down (leaning away, not responding to touching gimmicks, sitting as far away as possible, etc), I kept this statement in my head and as a result got the lay and things were always far less icy afterwards.
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What do you call a man who focuses on his looks, clothing, gay friendly places, and flamboyance. Sure as hell isn't a man that any highly fertile girl wants. Maybe an old woman who has two eggs left and five kids, but not a girl in her prime.
I really can't believe how dumb some young boys in America are. Do you guys really think girls care if you have cute tummies? Do you think they want another girlfriend? Do they want another drama queen? Are you going to find them in gay friendly places like South Florida or NYC?
Here are the facts...Girls want older guys. Girls would rather shop all day than have sex with you all day. Girls don't care how much you lift. Girls do care how much you have to spend on them. Girls want someone taller than they are. Girls don't want a silly boy. Girls want a serious man. Girls don't want to listen to you all day. Amazing girls come from places with cold, gray, depressing landscapes. Uh, those facts pretty much are the complete opposite of what most of you believe.
You will find that the world is filled with bullshlt. Most of what you are told are lies. You find this out when you travel. That is the reason why travel books are about as legit as pickup books. Same goes for finance gurus. Go look at a get rich book from 10 years ago. You would be totally broke if you would have followed their strategies! I won't even get into the b.s. surrounding politics.
I really can't believe how dumb some young boys in America are. Do you guys really think girls care if you have cute tummies? Do you think they want another girlfriend? Do they want another drama queen? Are you going to find them in gay friendly places like South Florida or NYC?
Here are the facts...Girls want older guys. Girls would rather shop all day than have sex with you all day. Girls don't care how much you lift. Girls do care how much you have to spend on them. Girls want someone taller than they are. Girls don't want a silly boy. Girls want a serious man. Girls don't want to listen to you all day. Amazing girls come from places with cold, gray, depressing landscapes. Uh, those facts pretty much are the complete opposite of what most of you believe.
You will find that the world is filled with bullshlt. Most of what you are told are lies. You find this out when you travel. That is the reason why travel books are about as legit as pickup books. Same goes for finance gurus. Go look at a get rich book from 10 years ago. You would be totally broke if you would have followed their strategies! I won't even get into the b.s. surrounding politics.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
bukowski_merit
Master Don Juan
By in large - you are correct. A lot of these guys come from sales backgrounds even AND implement that into pickup (which can work). But 90% of it is just the same old recycled garbage! I've read..... 50-60 seduction books.... and after a while - nothing they say is news to me... it's the same old words and the same old chapters (some dress them up in different language but it's the same theory).... only a couple stand out to me.... i would say - changed my life...S. Pryor said:Used car salesmen being the "pickup gurus" out there. There's just so many guys out there and basically they're all peddling the same garbage. I mean you can find some use in it but for the most part it all gets pretty repetitive. "Tap her on the shoulder, lean back with a 62 foot long handkercheif hanging from your pocket with a boa constrictor wrapped around your neck. Tell her stories of how you fought off an elephant with only a q-tip and a box of apple jacks to show you're dominant and can tell a great story." And oh yeah ask her if she thinks Steven Tyler looked hot while he was having his imaginary fight with Simon Cowell outside. COME ON! They're SALESMEN plain and simple. And damn good ones because I know they've gotten millions off the guys on this board alone. For those of you out there that know the catalog of these guys A-Z: please tell me who you've found that changed your life.
Franco "Manual of Seduction" Although the name implies it's about seduction - that's kind of misleading. This book is about A LOT more than that. Mostly relationship management stuff. Franco is a legendry relationship expert over at FS. With about 12,000 posts - all of them - very detailed. He's an old time player. Italian (from Italy, lives in Finland), natural, world traveled, high status, and here's the important part - a clinical psychologist. He says he found the seduction community around 45 years old and was facinated that other people who weren't psychologists were so into theories which were largely based in psychology.... I've never read anyone more in touch with how to dominate women in relationships!
Franco, David Clare, Joseph W South "Practical Female Psychology for the Practical Man" I already talked about Franco. And Joseph W. South is his Canadian couterpart (only he has pretty much given up on the community after buying a club). His podcast still sits over at http://www.realmodernman.com/ but no new shows in a while. He's much more blunt and impatient with male beta like behavior than Franco. He's much more aggresive too. But still very intelligent when it comes to dealing with relationships.
Daniel Rose "The Sex God Method" Many here know of this book, so i don't need to go into it much. But when you give a women 30 screaming orgasms and fvck her until she literally passes out the minute you finish - the drama and sh!t tests and EVERYTHING goes out the window.
^ that's pretty much it. Out of 60 or so books i've read - those have been the only 3 that REALLY changed my life.
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99% of all advice is bull**** take what you need and ditch the rest.
If you want to take the peacocking thing like mystery does... wow...But there's nothing wrong with looking nice and having an item of interest..
BigJimbo.. seriously you believe that? Enjoy looking and smelling like a bag of *******s while going broke spending all your loot on that trailer park queen you call a hottie who likes you, CUZ HE'S A REAL MAN NOT SOME PUNK ***** BOY WHO CARES ABOUT HOW HE LOOKS HAIL YEAH!
If you want to take the peacocking thing like mystery does... wow...But there's nothing wrong with looking nice and having an item of interest..
BigJimbo.. seriously you believe that? Enjoy looking and smelling like a bag of *******s while going broke spending all your loot on that trailer park queen you call a hottie who likes you, CUZ HE'S A REAL MAN NOT SOME PUNK ***** BOY WHO CARES ABOUT HOW HE LOOKS HAIL YEAH!
Accension
Senior Don Juan
Tyler Durden - while his philosophy is nothing more than that to me, the vibe in his seminahs is great to listen to. I think that's one undeniable thing about him -- he's just a cool guy. So pirate it.