"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do women who date you claim they never liked you after it goes sour?

drift king

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I'm at my ends wits now, have any of you guys been on dates with girls where it started off well for first few dates then suddenly she's not interested anymore and claims she never liked you in the first place?

Why do women do this?? it's like THE most insulting thing, like she demonstrates high IL does all the things a high IL woman does then suddenly you mess up and she claims she was never attracted to you ever.. I feel so led on.

She claimed we were never 'dating'.. i just couldn't get my head around this and i swore at her cos i felt so used and led on...

do women always claim this BS to make themselves feel better about themselves after if it was a mistake?

it's like the most offensive thing, now i'm just confused completely about how it went originally when things were going good like were all her texts contacting me thanking me for a good night just all lies and she was never interested?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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SharinganUser said:
Are you sleeping with them?
i got naked with her but no penetration..

tbh tonight was a complete emasculation of me.. she said my massage was crap the time we got naked and that she'd never sleep with me and she would never have slept with me that time even she could.. wow i really took a beating and didn't seem to be affected by it at all until she started claiming it wasn't a date.. it's weird the more insulting stuff i took pretty well but as soon as i felt led on i just lost it and swore at her..

not cool, not cool at all. bitter. whatever happens leave on a high note let her think she's lost you, that was what i was intending before i got into an argument with her. i realized i got a lot of anger issues and shouldnt let what a woman says to me affect me so much.. i dont know why i blew up like that. i felt so adamant that she was attracted to me at one point i needed her to admit it and when she refused too i blew up and swore at her.
 

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You had her naked but didn't bang her? You should have man'd up and went for it. Clearly she wanted you to.

Just shake it off and go find someone else.
 

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She sounds like a *****. No reason to feel bad after she insulted you like that. What you should do is not let mean girls get to you, cause that's what they do. They get under your skin, and make you want to choke them. Shrug it off; the only crap is her.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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She sounds like an immature moron, I wouldn't even bother contacting her again or speaking to her again. Delete her out of your life, forget she ever existed and move on. It couldn't be any simpler. Hopefully this bellend will die alone in a bedsit somewhere.
 

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i have to be honest though, the other guys on the forum have told me for ages to walk away and leave her alone cos she's not interested.

you cant really blame her for telling me straight out 'im not gona have sex with you and i never will' and 'the time we got naked even if i could have had sex i wouldn't have'

these things are such blows and a kick to the nuts, i should have just walked out and i dont know why.. i just acted arrogant giving her a look of 'are you crazy woman?'

i just wouldnt take no for an answer in regards to her feeling chemistry for me. it's dumb i know, i was drunk but i just cant understand why she would say we weren't dating, and me explaining in detail the definition of a date made absolutely no difference, i dont know what i wanted to achieve like being right.

i was just bitter and butt hurt. i told her 'fvck you' and got up, she got p1ssed opened the door and said 'i think you should leave' i said 'fine' got my **** and put my shoes on, she says 'i invite you to my place and you swear at me' she goes 'dont contact me again' i go 'dont worry i wasn't going to anyway' then i realize i was being a d1ck and did the weak move of before i left i went to apologize but she wasn't hearing any of it, i walk off and go 'have a nice life'.

i have a lot of built up animosity and feel led on though she did make it clear she wasn't interested, it's just the denial we were ever dating is what annoyed me and how she tried to explain how when i kissed her she never initiated it or what not.. i just dont know why i cant accept it is for what it is.

she's a headcase anyway. she didn't do anything exactly wrong apart from not being attracted to me but still the kick to the nuts was not needed.
 

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This is what I see: she insults you and treats you like crap, then turns around and makes it seem like you are the bad guy. As well, she is lowering your self-esteem, and making you seem not good enough. And you are falling for it. This has ***** written all over it. What you need to do is not date a *****, and not let this get to you. She's not important enough to worry about. Don't dwell on her dumb ass. Who cares what she thinks? You're not gonna get through to her; the only one hurting will be you.
 

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A woman only goes by how she feels at the moment. So in her mind she either always loved you or never loved you.
 

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bigneil said:
A woman only goes by how she feels at the moment. So in her mind she either always loved you or never loved you.
But her to act like this shows her true colors. This is how she treats people she's not interested in. She's a *****. This is how she'd be treating him at any point down the line - once the facade was over.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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You've never been with a girl until you penetrate her. You shouldn't be this mad over a girl you haven't even had sex with. There is a reason your not smashing these girls. Work on your self playa and drop the sour attitude.
 

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You need to learn to value yourself more and know your own worth. Never qualify yourself to a woman, qualify her to you.

Such blatant disrespect is intolerable. Sometimes we stall and don't act things out how we'd like to when we think about them in retrospect, so learn from this and never put up with such a thing again.

Whether she dug you or not is irrellevant, bottom line is she fucced you over royally and you should not channel any energy in wasting it away on her or this event other than to learn from it.
 

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You can't possibly date someone who doesn't like and respect you. These things out to be right out front.
 

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I've Fvcked women and they've said that bull sh!t. I've tried to hook up with this one http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1850069&postcount=190 tonight after getting flaked on by another older slightly chubbier redhead I'd just met recently (her excuse was family emergency blah blah, but I'll Still act like I believe her and will try to get with her later on down the road, leave the door open until it's completely shut). So the one I've already banged is at first warm to me coming over, but then she makes an excuse about me forgetting about her birthday blah, and brings up another grudge she's held against me for not doing her a favor about a month ago. Heh, when the b!tch stops meeting you half way, you must stop your kow-towing to her on a dime, let it blow over by no contact, then reinitiate a few weeks later. Hopefully she will have forgotten, but this jaded fvckqueen didn't, is bullheaded, and, after tonight, I'll Never contact her as5 again. The women who don't forgive and forget get forgotten and replaced by me.
 

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op, you need to learn not to take women so seriously. lol she's gets naked in front of you and didn't let you smash. How does that even make sense? She's just toying with you and you let it get to you, she won.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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in fairness i didnt get the message and wouldnt take no for an answer as i couldnt accept she wasn't into me anymore, but in reality she probably never was and led me on and maybe did want to like me but ultimately didn't.

cant blame her for laying it out like she did, she knows i wasn't getting the message or i refused to more likely.

but regardless the way she disrespected me and i took it even though it was done in a polite manner which confused me did erupt when i swore at her but i need to not let this happen ever again.

is it true that within the first 3 dates it's so important to maintain your frame otherwise things like this will happen?

i know maintaining your frame throughout no matter when or how long but it's even more important in the early stages where you cant afford any slip ups or mistakes? im starting to sense that, as a lot of my dates will end up this way and it's usually at date 3 when we're about to potentially have sex.
 

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floydb25 said:
This is how she treats people she's not interested in.
Yes, you realize that all along she was only pretending to be nice because she wanted something from you. And relative to her old behavior, her new behavior proves there is someone else she likes better (or she imagines she can easily find him).

Worse still is when you hang on thinking you can bring the old person back. As Doc Love said "You get one chance per girl per lifetime".
 

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bigneil said:
Yes, you realize that all along she was only pretending to be nice because she wanted something from you. And relative to her old behavior, her new behavior proves there is someone else she likes better (or she imagines she can easily find him).

Worse still is when you hang on thinking you can bring the old person back. As Doc Love said "You get one chance per girl per lifetime".
yeah i dont realize quickly and accept when it's over it's over.. even after she broke it off 1 week later we met up to try and see if it would work and i showed myself to be a jealous possessive person tho her 'friend' who was coming over inevitably now is someone she's interested in so my fears were justified but showing that i should never have done..

tbh had her friend not been staying over i probably would have definitely slept with her, we were outside embracing and i felt her hugging me so tight hoping she'd have feelings for me but it just wasnt happening for her.. that was the last chance tbh, everything i did after was pointless. her mind was made up, the second chance i got was futile unless i got to sleep with her that night, which under a different day might have been possible. shame really could have been different.. i dont know if she woulda caught feelings after sleeping with her but i had a much better chance than if i hadn't. i think i knew back then when she said her female friend hadn't left yet there was no chance it would work cos i was banking on sleeping with her that night and timed it around her friend leaving.

everything that went on after is just embarassing and i'm ashamed. i think i wont in future try to convince them to meet up to try again as it usually ends in them justifying to themselves they made the right decision. with her that time i had a genuine 2nd chance but it just wouldnt work and i need to accept that, im just butt hurt i didnt get to sleep with her.
 
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