"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Do Women WANT us to have Oneitis?

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So today this 22 year old girl I had lunch with (as friends) told me that a 21 year old girl who I've been dating would be sure to break my heart. Although the two girls never met, she essentially bragged about having broken a 41 year old man's heart recently.

So I joked with the 21 year old later about what this girl said. She and I have dated for about 3 months now and although it's been romantic I couldn't imagine being hurt, because I expect nothing in return.

But the odd part was, she seemed to be disappointed to think that I couldn't be hurt by her. She said "So you are saying you couldn't fall in love with me?" My feeling is that the only way a man my age can date a girl her age is to give her complete freedom and to be somewhat detached.

She didn't like that idea.

Do girls insist of being able to hurt their man?
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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It's her ego...as soon as you cave and fulfil her ego u lose to thus one...your current detachment is key to having your way with her....
 

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They do. They want you to turn into an AFC who they marry, have kids. Get money from and get gang banged while he's away on a business trip.
 

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No.Danny said:
They do. They want you to turn into an AFC who they marry, have kids. Get money from and get gang banged while he's away on a business trip.
I think that's the wrong attitude to have about it. Don't get me wrong, I mean every woman wants to feel special and like the only woman in the world to a high-value man. But women don't want, nor want to turn men into, AFCs/Betas. If they did, none of us would be here on SoSuave, nor would SoSuave exist.

As for the marriage thing, of course. It's still seen as (whether people want to admit it or not) a way of securing a partner. Locking them down, and being able to claim them as your own.

To answer the OP's question, I believe women don't necessarily want us to have oneitis. A high-value man, sure. But, every guy she comes into contact with? Not a chance.
 

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Well, they want desirable men to get oneitus for them.

Rendering a desirable - or high-value - man lovestruck from oneitus is one of the reasons most women breathe. They want the high-value man to only have eyes for them DESPITE all of the other women who want him. This is what gives them the most satisfaction. So when the high-value man who they want does not want them back, it hurts their ego.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Most definitely. One of their main goals in life is to seek out a desirable, high value man like a heat seeking missile and over time, turn them into nothing but a shriveled husk devoid of life. Subconsciously, they want a strong man but their tests are designed to test you till the very last.

They don't want to turn you into an AFC necessarily but they merely test you everyday to see if you are one. I suppose the question now is ARE YOU AN AFC?
 

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El Payaso said:
Most definitely. One of their main goals in life is to seek out a desirable, high value man like a heat seeking missile and over time, turn them into nothing but a shriveled husk devoid of life. Subconsciously, they want a strong man but their tests are designed to test you till the very last.

They don't want to turn you into an AFC necessarily but they merely test you everyday to see if you are one. I suppose the question now is ARE YOU AN AFC?
Yup what they want is more important than what we want or nothing happens
 

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Sino Zane said:
Well, they want desirable men to get oneitus for them.

Rendering a desirable - or high-value - man lovestruck from oneitus is one of the reasons most women breathe. They want the high-value man to only have eyes for them DESPITE all of the other women who want him. This is what gives them the most satisfaction. So when the high-value man who they want does not want them back, it hurts their ego.
^^^This. Repped.^^^
 

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bigneil said:
But the odd part was, she seemed to be disappointed to think that I couldn't be hurt by her. She said "So you are saying you couldn't fall in love with me?" My feeling is that the only way a man my age can date a girl her age is to give her complete freedom and to be somewhat detached.

She didn't like that idea.

Do girls insist of being able to hurt their man?
a better question is if it bothers you that your gf sounds like a really, really bad person.

I don't think normal, reasonable human beings pride themselves on their ability to cause pain and suffering to others.
 

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I think this article by Shark kind of succinctly consolidates all of the ideas in this thread: http://www.solvemygirlproblems.com/...why-your-girlfriend-wants-you-to-be-insecure/

It really blew my mind how true his words rang with me...it's actually almost a little depressing to think that, as Shark says, women can be self destructive in relationships: bf is Alpha -> she wants more attention - bf gives it, becomes AFC -> gf loses attraction. In the romantic princess world that I grew up on, I believed you could (and should) unconditionally give everything to, and dote on your woman...introduction to game, and personal experience have indeed taught me otherwise >___>

Self-development and inner game are key. Anyway, the article's an interesting read, whether it's actually what happens all the time or not. Definitely worth some discussion (this is a great thread, btw)
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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There are just a lot of b!tches out there that get off on destroying guys, and when you don't play along they get their wires fried. It's a tough ride for the AFC.
 

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You're rattling her cage by saying things like you'll never fall in love. Girls do want guys to have oneitus in one way or another but they also find it very unattractive. You can't explain this to them or you rattle their cages.
 

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Good points everyone. The Shark link is a great read, especially this:

"Here’s the catch 22 of the paradox. They want to make their boyfriends desperate and needy in order to get more attention from them, HOWEVER, THAT ALSO DECREASES THEIR OWN ATTRACTION."

I can confirm that the opposite is true in this case.

I think this is the natural tension (potential difference) that exists between positive and negative terminals. If either side pulls the other side too close, it shorts out - or worse - blows up. The moon falls around the Earth, it never collides.
 

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It's about control. A woman's biological imperative is based on finding a mate with the best genes AND a mate who will protect her offspring.

I say AND because the first part is absolutely and the second often isn't because the woman feels that her selection is best suited to protect her offspring, but the reality as we all know is that the guy often isn't the best choice for any number of reasons.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The_411 said:
It's about control. A woman's biological imperative is based on finding a mate with the best genes AND a mate who will protect her offspring.

I say AND because the first part is absolutely and the second often isn't because the woman feels that her selection is best suited to protect her offspring, but the reality as we all know is that the guy often isn't the best choice for any number of reasons.
That sounds accurate
 
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