Gangster Of Love
Master Don Juan
Jariel, I thave two words for you my brother, "INNER GAME."
You cannot side step that part of the game.
You cannot side step that part of the game.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Do the "experts" ever demonstrate what they preach?
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Craig Reeves
Master Don Juan
Just because somebody can't get EVERY woman doesn't mean that he isn't good.
I don't know where you've seen David D. but just because he doesn't have a 100% success rate with pickups is meaningless. There's no such thing as somebody who can pickup every single girl he encounters.
The man can't be too bad because every girl he's dated has been extremely attractive.
I don't know where you've seen David D. but just because he doesn't have a 100% success rate with pickups is meaningless. There's no such thing as somebody who can pickup every single girl he encounters.
The man can't be too bad because every girl he's dated has been extremely attractive.
I don't know why you guys keep putting down Ross Jeffries. I got his most recent seminar videos (he completely changed speed seduction a few years ago) and the guy sure as hell sounds like he knows his stuff. He's got some wacky theories, but he seems trustworthy. Can anyone explain how exactly he came to having such a bad rep online?
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Had you ever tried his original SS series?
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Well, I completely agree about the "inner game" which I've developed by dropping all techniques and strategies and just being my natural self. This is basically why I've started to doubt all these teachings - because I've come to learn they're not needed at all.
Weisman made a point worth picking up about "a surge in confidence", which is something which can be gained from these teachings. Afterall, if you put your faith in this material and truly believe that you have magic tricks in your hands, it can give you much needed faith and confidence. It also helps a lot of guys to hear that "looks don't matter" or "any guy can get hot women".
It's all down to confidence though. Women aren't attracted to witty oneliners; they're attracted to the guy who delivers them based on his confidence, looks and value. However, I see nothing but theory to back up the actual seduction tricks and advice.
I want to use an example, so off the top of my head, I recall DeAngelo saying that he got women making out with him just by doing a James Dean type frown. Then Ross Jeffries made some claim about dropping "below me" (sounding like "blow me") in a sentence and the woman gave him a blow job.
Frankly, if they make such outrageous claims, charge money for it and expect us to try it, I want to see them prove it first! Until then I will always consider them bullshyt artists.
Weisman made a point worth picking up about "a surge in confidence", which is something which can be gained from these teachings. Afterall, if you put your faith in this material and truly believe that you have magic tricks in your hands, it can give you much needed faith and confidence. It also helps a lot of guys to hear that "looks don't matter" or "any guy can get hot women".
It's all down to confidence though. Women aren't attracted to witty oneliners; they're attracted to the guy who delivers them based on his confidence, looks and value. However, I see nothing but theory to back up the actual seduction tricks and advice.
I want to use an example, so off the top of my head, I recall DeAngelo saying that he got women making out with him just by doing a James Dean type frown. Then Ross Jeffries made some claim about dropping "below me" (sounding like "blow me") in a sentence and the woman gave him a blow job.
Frankly, if they make such outrageous claims, charge money for it and expect us to try it, I want to see them prove it first! Until then I will always consider them bullshyt artists.
Create Reality
Master Don Juan
Francisco thanks for the awesome link!
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Perspective
How many here would visit a Witch Doctor for medical advice? How many here would seek out an herbalist instead of a conventional physician?
NO? The reason being is a sound medical practicioner operates upon proven solutions and science. An Herbalist or witch doctor operates chiefly on arcane unreasoning and industry sponsored, poorly controlled European studies originating in areas that tend to have a bias/motivation for finding herbal remedies beneficial. Such studies have often been unreplicable by legitimate European and US institutions.
I know a lot of the dating gurus give good advice. I've seen it first hand in myself and others. A lot of this stuff really does work. Unfortunately, there is very little we can point to and prove exactly which parts reliably work.
If that is ever to happen, it is upon this community to work towards that end. Otherwise, we're stuck with theory after theory, and KBJs will forever rule the land.
I suggest we begin a system of testing and calling people out to show us first hand what works and why.
How many here would visit a Witch Doctor for medical advice? How many here would seek out an herbalist instead of a conventional physician?
NO? The reason being is a sound medical practicioner operates upon proven solutions and science. An Herbalist or witch doctor operates chiefly on arcane unreasoning and industry sponsored, poorly controlled European studies originating in areas that tend to have a bias/motivation for finding herbal remedies beneficial. Such studies have often been unreplicable by legitimate European and US institutions.
I know a lot of the dating gurus give good advice. I've seen it first hand in myself and others. A lot of this stuff really does work. Unfortunately, there is very little we can point to and prove exactly which parts reliably work.
If that is ever to happen, it is upon this community to work towards that end. Otherwise, we're stuck with theory after theory, and KBJs will forever rule the land.
I suggest we begin a system of testing and calling people out to show us first hand what works and why.
MR_PERFECT
Senior Don Juan
It's not suppose to be the knowledge of one person that you learn from, you have to figure out the bits and pieces from each experts technique that will work. Please don't laugh, but I bought a Ross Jeffries packet back in '95 and tried it on one specific girl I was interested in and it was actually working, but I think it worked because she really liked me anyway, not because he give me invaluable information.
One legendary poster gave great advise, except he would say not to call a girl for 5-7 days after meeting. Unless meeting you had a life altering effect on her life, she won't be excited about seeing you again, the interest level will drop.
This is a large community, I suggest everyone on here think long and hard about specific actions/words that work for them and we put them all in a specific section. The parts of seduction you don't know will be filled in by the other guys that do know.
One legendary poster gave great advise, except he would say not to call a girl for 5-7 days after meeting. Unless meeting you had a life altering effect on her life, she won't be excited about seeing you again, the interest level will drop.
This is a large community, I suggest everyone on here think long and hard about specific actions/words that work for them and we put them all in a specific section. The parts of seduction you don't know will be filled in by the other guys that do know.
Marlimus
Senior Don Juan
My 2 cents
Don't bash David Deangelo, he worked fine for me.
Pook never seemed to speak from experience. so he could be a big geek for all we know, but his posts are inspirational, and do a LOT for inner game.
Never tried Ross Jefferies, to be honest, his stuff sounds like mumbo-jumbo.
...and I have much better things to do with my time than to spend hours memorizing patterns for the sole purpose of getting a chick who might not be worth my time anyway, so to hell with Mystery. The time and energy spent memorizing all that stuff could be spent learning how to play the stock market, working out, meditating, reading philosophy, learning a second language or a musical instrument, in other words, making an investment in yourself.
Don't bash David Deangelo, he worked fine for me.
Pook never seemed to speak from experience. so he could be a big geek for all we know, but his posts are inspirational, and do a LOT for inner game.
Never tried Ross Jefferies, to be honest, his stuff sounds like mumbo-jumbo.
...and I have much better things to do with my time than to spend hours memorizing patterns for the sole purpose of getting a chick who might not be worth my time anyway, so to hell with Mystery. The time and energy spent memorizing all that stuff could be spent learning how to play the stock market, working out, meditating, reading philosophy, learning a second language or a musical instrument, in other words, making an investment in yourself.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
No prob. Strange as hell that the article wasn't published in Maxim or at least Men's Health where it would be more useful. Oh, maybe that's why it was published in Elle....
I just like to comment on the line "That is not who you are" comment of others. Tell me, who are you? You can hardly tell, and why? Because you frikking change every god damn second.
As long as you live, you will learn, when you learn, you change. As long as you learn the good stuff, you will change in a positive way, imho.
As long as you live, you will learn, when you learn, you change. As long as you learn the good stuff, you will change in a positive way, imho.