il_duce
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Exactly. Go by how you feel. Science tells us that masturbating a lot is okay, but whenever I do it every day, it saps all of my energy. I'll go by my own experiences, not what somebody else tells me, thanks.
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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
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Slowing down masturbation is KEY. Too much of it sucks away your confidence, boldness and overall attraction. This is coming from a guy that has experience from masturbating and not masturbating. At times in my life i've masturbated several times daily, had streaks of jerking it once daily, and have had streaks of not jerking it for weeks. I've found that it's MUCH better overall, to just totally slow it down and quit if you can. Sure, you'll "feel" more relaxed, but at the same time you won't feel confident or bold. Plus where is your urge going to come from? Your mind? Your ego? What purpose would that serve? Once you start using your mind or ego for pickups etc, it all goes downhill. It's odd, but that's just how it is.
If you can learn how to embrace the horniness and aggression you get from NOT masturbating, you're already ahead of 90 percent of the male population.
If you can learn how to embrace the horniness and aggression you get from NOT masturbating, you're already ahead of 90 percent of the male population.
Zerotwoonenine
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basically i hate doing it too much is because:
1.it takes time if you do it several times per week, generally i take around 30 mins per one session and take 3 sessions a week(but i am cutting down after reading your posts), apparently a guy in my six form did it too much and it takes him 2 hours per session!!
2.it really makes you lose you sex drive, i mean, now i dont even find the hottest women remotely attractive when i do it too much(no i am not gay)
3.It generally makes me feel down.
1.it takes time if you do it several times per week, generally i take around 30 mins per one session and take 3 sessions a week(but i am cutting down after reading your posts), apparently a guy in my six form did it too much and it takes him 2 hours per session!!
2.it really makes you lose you sex drive, i mean, now i dont even find the hottest women remotely attractive when i do it too much(no i am not gay)
3.It generally makes me feel down.
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GUNWITCH METHOD or not, this is by far the most useful post in this thread.C-Damage said:i think actualy this is true. ive got no eveidence of that other than anecdotal but im sure im less likley to look people in the eye or talk in a confident tone at an audible volume if i spent the last few hours jacking off. It mite just be exaustion (tho i doubt it) but generaly when im done i have no inclination to talk to anyone...least of all sexy girls - who usualy are my favorite people to talk to. Saying that im generlay talking about whacking off multiple times in one sitting (generlay to internet porno - which is the worst for getting your hooked...cos its pretty much maximum payout for minimum effort)...but im sure im not the only person to do that. Try it yourself - i find that, even when im with my friends, i will be a whole lot quieter and consquently more boring if ive been whacking off all day. And theres not realy much chance of getting some action if you cant even be bothered to talk.
ALSO: GUNWITCH METHOD? Has everyone forgotten this? Best guide ever imho. proscribes just that - no jackin, regular exercise, good diet. That works...and is a lot less strange and stupid than trying to learn to hypnotise girls with inaine conversation you learned from a website. I mean christ - how do you think normal guys get girls? ALSO, as gunwitch points out in his guide - orgasm with a parnter will NOT socialy cripple you like jacking off will do - this mite be the physical exercise associated with orgasm from sex but id say its a combination of that and the fact that blowing your load all over a sexy girl should be much more satisfying and confidence building (if you dont know what im on about i suggest a little more first hand research).
Edit : I think your masterbatory appologists!By all means do it - but dont discount the chance that it mite not help you in social situations.
JHeights83rd
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wow, you guys do it alot. Ok when you nut, thats 4 billion sperm, which it takes 36 hours to produce. So no wonder you feel like that after 2ce a day. But not doing it makes you carry around more semen. i never wacked off so I carry the most semen among the 18 yr old male population. My face gets red, i get it up, my heart rate goes up alot, everytime i talk to a girl. my friend who doesnt wack off, the same. Trust me, carrying more semen no = confidence, masculinity, aggression, maleness etc... It makes you wanna cop a feel more... makes you wanna grab her breast... desperate for affection... and wanna get in her pants more. its a big subconscious desire that you have, a strong desire which your conscious mind has to temper, or else youll rape that *****.
Think of it like a water faucet that has to drain. Only a certain amount of water will fit into the pipe at one time. When we (who dont wack off) turn the faucet on, we have to put a stopper on the faucet to cut the amount of water flowing at one time. Our water pressure is too high. If we just let the faucet go on with no interference, not only will she not be able to flow that excess of water (she follows your sexual interest in her) , the sink will over flow (you rape her, or you come off like a pervert) The sink overflowing, we are so scared of happening, so we have to keep using a stopper to limit the amount of water in the sink.
So not wacking off at all, you become more like us and you have to exert alot energy to control the aggression. Alot of you guys think 'well that aggression will help motivate you to get up and talk to a girl and get her to satisfy her' but it doesnt work like that, it doesnt craft itself into making your game stronger so you can f a girl. The best way to spit at a female is to forget about your ****, the moment you start to feed your ****, the female senses you wanna get in her pants and we know what happens when she senses that. So think of it this way, the more semen your **** holds, the more blind, subconscious desperation you have.
Think of it like a water faucet that has to drain. Only a certain amount of water will fit into the pipe at one time. When we (who dont wack off) turn the faucet on, we have to put a stopper on the faucet to cut the amount of water flowing at one time. Our water pressure is too high. If we just let the faucet go on with no interference, not only will she not be able to flow that excess of water (she follows your sexual interest in her) , the sink will over flow (you rape her, or you come off like a pervert) The sink overflowing, we are so scared of happening, so we have to keep using a stopper to limit the amount of water in the sink.
So not wacking off at all, you become more like us and you have to exert alot energy to control the aggression. Alot of you guys think 'well that aggression will help motivate you to get up and talk to a girl and get her to satisfy her' but it doesnt work like that, it doesnt craft itself into making your game stronger so you can f a girl. The best way to spit at a female is to forget about your ****, the moment you start to feed your ****, the female senses you wanna get in her pants and we know what happens when she senses that. So think of it this way, the more semen your **** holds, the more blind, subconscious desperation you have.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
JHeights83rd, I think you post a few sensible concepts but also overgeneralize the "too much semen turns you into a desperate lunatic" concept. That's far from the truth. Self-control is a skill that we must learn and self-mastery is a practice that should consist throughout our lifetime diligently.
it is a fact that abstaining from masturbation will increase testosterone and increase sexual drive. Will it make you act like an idiot? No. AFC tendencys will though.
Will you need to work at curbing your aggression? Yes. how can you do that? By learning how to be relaxed under pressure. Sports. Music. Chilling.
it is a fact that abstaining from masturbation will increase testosterone and increase sexual drive. Will it make you act like an idiot? No. AFC tendencys will though.
Will you need to work at curbing your aggression? Yes. how can you do that? By learning how to be relaxed under pressure. Sports. Music. Chilling.
manbearpig
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I just don't buy this crap. Anyone have any scientific evidence to offer?
Masturbation is a biological issue(thats science), and I'm sorry but I'm not going to accept what a bunch of guys on a freakin' website say at face value.
Masturbation is a biological issue(thats science), and I'm sorry but I'm not going to accept what a bunch of guys on a freakin' website say at face value.
You guys want some scientific ****ing evidence, I took an oath with my buddy, well more of a wager, we are in competition to see who can go the longest without pleasing ourselves. I am already a week in, and I know that the only way I can win this competition and relieve myself in doing so, is by getting with girls. We are a week in, and I can already feel more confidence around women, it is driven by a desire to plant my seed, do I feel desperate? No, because I know that if it gets unbearable I can say, "**** it" and lose the bet. It is all about self-control, I know my boundaries, and guess what I figure that by the time the next week is over I will be getting action anyways so I am not too choked about it. Not masturbating is good for you, teaches you self control, and helps your desire to approach women.
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When I first got into the game not masturbating helped a lot. I'm not sure whether or was placebo - I had been reading a thread exactly like this one. But the thing is, placebo or not, it did help. It made me feel stronger, it planted the desire to walk over and talk to PEOPLE (not just girls - I think this is key to what I'm getting at) and because of this I was making friends on all fronts. It was probably something to do with being more aggressive. The guys thought I was the man, the girls grooved on it.
Even if you don't think the consensus to not jerk it is a good thing, I also know first hand that jerking KILLS my energy. I lift weights. I jerk it beforehand and I have almost 0 chance of lifting to my maximum. Jerk it every other day or so and you will most probably feel like a zombie day in day out. It's crazy kind of toll jerking takes sometimes. (On a benefit, it's really useful if you can't get to sleep.)
Even if you don't think the consensus to not jerk it is a good thing, I also know first hand that jerking KILLS my energy. I lift weights. I jerk it beforehand and I have almost 0 chance of lifting to my maximum. Jerk it every other day or so and you will most probably feel like a zombie day in day out. It's crazy kind of toll jerking takes sometimes. (On a benefit, it's really useful if you can't get to sleep.)
JHeights83rd
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Ok from what i read on this site, you guys are coming from the other extreme of wacking off 2 - 3 times a day. Its probably more mental than physcal, youre secretly embarrased about having done it and you wanna stay away from everybody.
originally posted by charm
You can control it physically but not subconsciously. Subconsciously, it pushes you to more anxious, clingy, hanging around behavior. It makes you hold convos longer, and more mentally desperate. Thats what i mean. You cannot 'self control' this behavior, because its subconscious. I know the myth that your subconscious doesnt know the difference between fact and fiction. but think about it. if that was true, i could convince myself that im gay, or that i dont like *****. So saying 'self control' for this part is bull****.
The other aspect is that for us, theres no 'speed control' or 'throttle' or 'gas pedal' its more like an 'on/off' switch. aggression off, agression on. Keep your d**k in your pants/put your **** in your hand. Have you ever heard the rule 'put your **** in you pocket'? If you have your **** in your hand trying to get sex from her, it gets in the way of you verbal game. It comes across to the girl as, you really wanna get in her pants. You can easily say 'self control' on all this ****, but in reality, its too much **** to think about at one time, and to still look smooth and composed at the same time.
this is the other extreme of wacking off 4 times a day. Im just explaining it bc im sick of posts saying more testoserone= more confidence, masculinity, and not wacking off at all is ideal, and youll have the most confidence and aggression, which is the best. Im also sick of people in the real world saying 'well you can learn how to control that desire'
originally posted by charm
You have no idea what its like to be on the other extreme and you probably never will. I never said that it makes you into a desperate lunatic, having more semen makes you want it more. Wanting it more is not good. Let me explain to you how it is being on this side. I have a friend too, he experiences it too. When i get around women my heartrate goes up real high, and i get real horny. This is sexual impulse, you cannot 'self control' impulses. You can 'control it' so that it doesnt lead to actions like rape. This is easy but it takes mind power, and this is not the main problem.
You can control it physically but not subconsciously. Subconsciously, it pushes you to more anxious, clingy, hanging around behavior. It makes you hold convos longer, and more mentally desperate. Thats what i mean. You cannot 'self control' this behavior, because its subconscious. I know the myth that your subconscious doesnt know the difference between fact and fiction. but think about it. if that was true, i could convince myself that im gay, or that i dont like *****. So saying 'self control' for this part is bull****.
The other aspect is that for us, theres no 'speed control' or 'throttle' or 'gas pedal' its more like an 'on/off' switch. aggression off, agression on. Keep your d**k in your pants/put your **** in your hand. Have you ever heard the rule 'put your **** in you pocket'? If you have your **** in your hand trying to get sex from her, it gets in the way of you verbal game. It comes across to the girl as, you really wanna get in her pants. You can easily say 'self control' on all this ****, but in reality, its too much **** to think about at one time, and to still look smooth and composed at the same time.
this is the other extreme of wacking off 4 times a day. Im just explaining it bc im sick of posts saying more testoserone= more confidence, masculinity, and not wacking off at all is ideal, and youll have the most confidence and aggression, which is the best. Im also sick of people in the real world saying 'well you can learn how to control that desire'
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
I disagree big time. Sometimes when I don't ejaculate for 2 weeks, I feel the same way. I don't feel all desperate or extra manly, but then again I don't watch porn during that period.
Jacking off is a good thing, but if it's taking too much of your time, then yeah it's not that good.
Jacking off is a good thing, but if it's taking too much of your time, then yeah it's not that good.
manbearpig
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Even though I'm still skeptical(its the intellectual in me), I'll go ahead and give this Gunwitch thing a shot. Its not like it can hurt. Plus, even if it doesn't work, its still good for the self-control part.
I can personally testify to the negative affects of masturbation.
It may be a placebo affect, it may not be, but it is still there regardless. When I am done masturbating I feel like **** basically. I have no drive or motivation to do anything. I do no want to go outside or hang out with anyone, I don't want to see any girls, I want to stay in my house by myself in my room. That is not a good thing at all.
I am on my second day of no masturbation, I am going to see if I can last for a month.
It may be a placebo affect, it may not be, but it is still there regardless. When I am done masturbating I feel like **** basically. I have no drive or motivation to do anything. I do no want to go outside or hang out with anyone, I don't want to see any girls, I want to stay in my house by myself in my room. That is not a good thing at all.
I am on my second day of no masturbation, I am going to see if I can last for a month.
brucevangeorge
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Good job!WhAcKeD! said:
I can account for many, many negative effects also. I feel like **** and like a pvssy after. All my anger, drive, fuel.. is gone and I become lazy and weak.
And it raises T-Levels? Hmm.... maybe, but it lowers everything else and you feel like ****. It has massive effects on the endocrine system, which is why you shouldnt do it that often, if ever.
Sex is better.
But hey! To each his own. Wanna continue? Continue.... but do so at your own peril.
You have been warned.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
JHeights83rd
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my bad guys. You guys are so far on the other side of the spectrum that its probably good for you guys to wack off less. I dont know how much desperation you get when you wack off compared to when you dont do it at all. But also its endurance. When i ****, they say i wont have any endurance because i never had to stand the pleasure, (except when wetdream)
This is my theory on it, when you wack off constantly, your conscious mind gives you the illusion that your pathetic and that your desperate for it. Your subconscious mind doesnt want it that much. When youre like me, and you get real horny with any form of play, its the other way around. Your conscious mind tries to think that you dont want it, but in your subconsious mind, you want to feed your d**k. You wanna feed it anything, any little scraps, dont care how you get it --> you wanna feed your **** anything, any cop a feel, on something, dont care how you get it.
Therefore we have to suppress this type of impulse and turn aggression off. Now these 'learn to control' arguments are bull****. Theres suppress, or let all that testosterone go. Theres no 'let it go 1/2 pressure.' I play lots of sports, im lifeguard, i work well under pressure. Now you can try to let testosterone go at 1/8, 1/4, 1/2... pressure, but your conscious mind has to be in it so much, and you cant be smooth with it, it comes across like forced. Ofcourse when you completely keep your d**k in your pocket, outta the way, you end up friendz. Because you have to think about all this **** with your conscious mind, chilling with girls and trying to game them is really less fun, more of a burden.
But you guys are far far far away from that.
my bad guys. You guys are so far on the other side of the spectrum that its probably good for you guys to wack off less. I dont know how much desperation you get when you wack off compared to when you dont do it at all. But also its endurance. When i ****, they say i wont have any endurance because i never had to stand the pleasure, (except when wetdream)
This is my theory on it, when you wack off constantly, your conscious mind gives you the illusion that your pathetic and that your desperate for it. Your subconscious mind doesnt want it that much. When youre like me, and you get real horny with any form of play, its the other way around. Your conscious mind tries to think that you dont want it, but in your subconsious mind, you want to feed your d**k. You wanna feed it anything, any little scraps, dont care how you get it --> you wanna feed your **** anything, any cop a feel, on something, dont care how you get it.
Therefore we have to suppress this type of impulse and turn aggression off. Now these 'learn to control' arguments are bull****. Theres suppress, or let all that testosterone go. Theres no 'let it go 1/2 pressure.' I play lots of sports, im lifeguard, i work well under pressure. Now you can try to let testosterone go at 1/8, 1/4, 1/2... pressure, but your conscious mind has to be in it so much, and you cant be smooth with it, it comes across like forced. Ofcourse when you completely keep your d**k in your pocket, outta the way, you end up friendz. Because you have to think about all this **** with your conscious mind, chilling with girls and trying to game them is really less fun, more of a burden.
But you guys are far far far away from that.
JHeights83rd
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id recommend 1nce every 2 weeks
id recommend 1nce every 2 weeks
brucevangeorge
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better never.JHeights83rd said:
that way, you never have to keep track, or risk too often
this same thing happens to me a lot, i have been masturbating for 3 years now almost everyday at least 2 to 3 a day, at the beginning it was just an unbelievable feeling, damn it was the best feeling i had felt in my life and i did it everytime i could, but now after all this time i just dont want to do this anymore, i really feel bad with my self for not being able to stop this, i have tried to stop but i cant go over a week without doing it, when i have sex i dont enjoy it anymore i swear this is ****in killing me ... yesterday i was with a girl alone we started making out then i dont know what the hell happened and i just couldnt go any further because i just didnt enjoy it anymore, i tried to focus and i couldnt concentrate, i seemed desperate to concentrate and she noticed, so she told me to go home, i knew i had a problem with masturbating but i didnt think i would affect me this much,now i want to stop, but i dont know how, now like JHeights83rd says, chilling with girls and trying to game them is really less fun, more of a burden.JHeights83rd said:
The risk of what? Breaking your arm in the process?brucevangeorge said:
Being a man who has self-control does not mean you must abstain for pleasuring yourself. It means you have moderation and discipline. Drinking a beer once in a while is ok. Drinking every day is alcoholism. Moderation is the crucial point here.
One every 2 weeks is just a way of saying, if you're doing it more than once a week, you're doing it too often. And discipline is tough for young people.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.