Do men in other countries complain about their women as much as American men?

[spinaroonie]

There's a lot of anti-American women sentiment here. Are these merely the laments of sexually frustrated men, or is there something to it. For those who've traveled, do men in other countries rag on their women as much as we do? Why or why not?

Additionally, it seems the whole PUA scene is only big in the Anglosphere (US/UK/Canada/Australia)... it hasn't really taken off elsewhere. Is the whole PUA scene merely a symptom of a society in which men and women increasingly don't get along, and useless in societies where men act like men and women actually behave like women?

 

[Warrior74]

When have men and women not complained about each other? I think places like sosuave and the spearhead and others are a combination of legitimate complaints and sexually frustrated men, wrapped in a huge echo chamber.

I think when life is easy and choice abound you see more need for strategies and game. When it is extremely hard you see people do what they have to do so they can get on with the business of living. It's a by product of wealthly nations, men and women have lots of choices. Not to mention large populations in small areas. If you lived in some rainforest tribe of 100 people and only 10 girls there weren't related to you directly, I doubt you would be trying to do push pull and negs. You'd go through the mating ritual and get back to trying to feed yourself.

 

[Zarky]

Good reply above.

I think a lot of dudes come here because they're having no luck with women. 95% of the guys who fail with women will continue to fail with women for their whole lives. For them, it's not a matter of knowledge or technique, it's a matter of deep-seated emotional disorders. 5% will learn enough to help them succeed. For those, they have failed simply because they were never taught properly.

Therefore there are a lot of permanent bitter failures here and nobody wants to blame himself so they'll blame women.

I've dated Brits, Poles, Brazilians, South Africans, and even a girl from New Jersey. Women are pretty much the same all over the world, AFAICT.

 

[Lexington]

When have men and women not complained about each other? I think places like sosuave and the spearhead and others are a combination of legitimate complaints and sexually frustrated men, wrapped in a huge echo chamber.

I think when life is easy and choice abound you see more need for strategies and game. When it is extremely hard you see people do what they have to do so they can get on with the business of living. It's a by product of wealthly nations, men and women have lots of choices. Not to mention large populations in small areas. If you lived in some rainforest tribe of 100 people and only 10 girls there weren't related to you directly, I doubt you would be trying to do push pull and negs. You'd go through the mating ritual and get back to trying to feed yourself.

This is a very interesting perspective. I never really thought of it like that. It makes perfect sense.

This doesn't just apply to mating. In the Western world, it's very common to ponder what to do in life. People wonder if they're making a difference, if they're living it right, if this is what they really want etc. In many parts of the world, you don't think about any of that....you just fulfill your functions in life.

In the past if you grew up healthy, found a mate, got married, had kids and had grand kids, you had a successful life. I'm pretty sure most of us here would be pretty disappointed if that was all there was to our life story.

Freedom has one unfortunate consequence: you have to know what to do with it.

 

[Trader]

There's a lot of anti-American women sentiment here. Are these merely the laments of sexually frustrated men, or is there something to it. For those who've traveled, do men in other countries rag on their women as much as we do? Why or why not?

Additionally, it seems the whole PUA scene is only big in the Anglosphere (US/UK/Canada/Australia)... it hasn't really taken off elsewhere. Is the whole PUA scene merely a symptom of a society in which men and women increasingly don't get along, and useless in societies where men act like men and women actually behave like women?

Just got back from Taiwan. Of course everyone *complains* but the difference is, in the US there really is some animosity between the sexes.

There really isn't any in Asia. There are some negative feelings towards Shanghainese girls, that they are golddiggers on par with the Russian girls, but that's as far as it goes.

What's hillarious is one of my Korean friends, not American Born Korean but from the motherland, he refuses to date American Born Korean girls. He says they are *polluted* with the American culture. I can definitely see what he is talking about.

 

[Jitterbug]

I'll second what Trader said about Asia.

In some places, like Eastern Europe (my uncles live there), the women complain a lot about the men, but not much the other way around, and there's no real "gender war" like in the Anglosphere.

 

[picard]

It is a fact about the Hong Kong & Shanghai girls are materialistic. I am not sure about Russian girls.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Spinaroonie,
Here In Australia it is the same....This whole Feminism deal combined with the scandalous treatment Men receive in Family Courts is to blame.....I used to think scarcity of Females was an important factor,but in the Demographic I move amongst,there are two Women to every Man....Does this improve them?not a bit of it,they seem to get worse as they get older...On other occasions I thought that the guilt complexes engendered by a Christian background were partly to blame,but then Phillipino girls came on the scene and put an end to that belief....However you slice them,as a generalisation,Western Women aint worth the candle...If you can sort out the Mercenary ones try South East Asian and Oriental Women,they are so refreshingly different.

 

[Warrior74]

For you guys who have been to asian, anwser me this...since they have such large populations and if it's teh same as in china (where there are more males than females) how do the men who will never have a woman accept it? Do they learn game? Or do they just chalk it up to bad luck and solider on knowing they will never have a family?

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear Warrior,
Yes they do just chalk it up and get on with it...Its in their genes,Malcolm Gladwell,says its planting all that rice...They are Different mate..The Mainland Chinese are born to endure because they know that deep inside the Chinese Culture will absorb and prevail,as it has done for donkeys years and is continuing to do today...They are currently absorbing Western capitalism,starting to get the hang of it and will dominate a new variety with their own modifications in your life time.

 

[jophil28]

Dear Spinaroonie,
Here In Australia it is the same....

Perhaps it is even worse..

In my social circles the men are afraid of upsetting their women in ways that stun me.
The women dominate conversations, interrupt their men, answer for their husbands, criticize and humiliate the guys in public and general jackboot their way . IF any difficulties arise as a result, the men stare at the floor in front of them like a timid soldier trying to avoid a Claymore.

Followers of women.

 

[EFFORT]

For those who've traveled, do men in other countries rag on their women as much as we do? Why or why not?

No, because men embrace masculinity and women embrace femininity. In other words men know there role and women know there role and they respect each other for it. I'd recommend traveling outside of the USA, it'll really open your mind.

 

[Scion]

Good reply above.

I think a lot of dudes come here because they're having no luck with women. 95% of the guys who fail with women will continue to fail with women for their whole lives. For them, it's not a matter of knowledge or technique, it's a matter of deep-seated emotional disorders. 5% will learn enough to help them succeed. For those, they have failed simply because they were never taught properly.

Therefore there are a lot of permanent bitter failures here and nobody wants to blame himself so they'll blame women.

I think this statement is correct. I came to this site thinking I could change my luck with women and am starting to realize that will never happen. It's not from lack of effort either, I just either have deep seated issues or am just not meant to get women. I'm currently trying to figure out what to do with my life, because the thought I'll be alone the rest of my life is really depressing.

 

[3countriesPlan]

For you guys who have been to asian, anwser me this...since they have such large populations and if it's teh same as in china (where there are more males than females) how do the men who will never have a woman accept it? Do they learn game? Or do they just chalk it up to bad luck and solider on knowing they will never have a family?

If you are old and or have no game you can just become a trick and pay girls money and buy them crap.. poof.. suddenly you are popular!

If you go after quality girls (girls who aren't at gangsta bars at 2 am) then you will be pleasantly suprised. My team of girls is top notch. They love to cook, love my cooking and are a joy to be around. But the thing is if you filter out the trash (about 70-80% of girls) you will be able to find premium ladies anywhere, even in rural Pakistan. Note to self: need to go on a mack voyage to a crazy place when I get to know some male locals there first.

 

[EA Gold]

For you guys who have been to asian, anwser me this...since they have such large populations and if it's teh same as in china (where there are more males than females) how do the men who will never have a woman accept it? Do they learn game? Or do they just chalk it up to bad luck and solider on knowing they will never have a family?

Here in the Philippines, there is alot of poverty so kids really have to man up early so they and their family can survive. The work ethic is very high so women is an after thought for them. Once they get their life and finances where they want it to, women practically fall on them because most likely their still poor while he made his life comfortable with a huge house and servants.

And it doesn't take much to have a huge house with servants.

My parents who immigrated to U.S. 25 years ago already have built two houses their and have maids and helpers to maintain it, while some of my dad's friends still live in the same shack drinking daily and my dad feels sorry for them.

 

[jafyk]

Perhaps it is even worse..

In my social circles the men are afraid of upsetting their women in ways that stun me.
The women dominate conversations, interrupt their men, answer for their husbands, criticize and humiliate the guys in public and general jackboot their way . IF any difficulties arise as a result, the men stare at the floor in front of them like a timid soldier trying to avoid a Claymore.

Followers of women.

I'm African and when I see this unfolding amongst American it just makes me wanna puke. Growing up in Africa I didn't see much of this type of thing. That is not to say there weren't the few exception. I know for the most part both sexes had their roles and necessarily didn't think they were better than the other. If they did it wasn't in a really strong way. For example my late uncle's wife did like him messing with her kitchen, lol. (at least when she was home) Yet, when he comes home she serves him his food. Both were working class people of the society.

 

[Zarky]

I think this statement is correct. I came to this site thinking I could change my luck with women and am starting to realize that will never happen. It's not from lack of effort either, I just either have deep seated issues or am just not meant to get women. I'm currently trying to figure out what to do with my life, because the thought I'll be alone the rest of my life is really depressing.

If you're serious, seek real therapy from a licensed psychologist, not BS internet advice.