Do good looking guys have it easier or harder.

[iqqi]

You are attempting to present an argument that is bound to fail. You condemn me for my age yet you turn around and express your reverence for a man who is nearly my age. Makes me wonder that if I put up a web site with a product to sell and pictures of myself sitting around with a few women, that your opinion of me would reverse.

You complain that I’m insecure and have to make my self look big and all that crap, but isn’t it you that feels the need to brag about the number of women he’s banged. I certainly haven’t done that. Yet you and your hero Johnny seem to have the need to do so.

I’ve actually conversed with Johnny Soprano, I’ve seen his web site, and I’m not at all impressed. In this underworld of sex, drugs, rock-n-roll, and deviant art of where I exist, I run into people like Johnny all the time. He doesn’t exactly buy the women, but he sets up court at hot spots around town, throws around a lot of money, and makes frequent references to his hot tub, his beach house, his yacht… He’ll throw out invitations to his almost weekly parties and all kinds of young somewhat good looking women show up. Not for the host but for everything that he can offer. Hang out in all these luxurious exotic places, easy access to alcohol and drugs, meet famous people. At many of these parties there will be girls in attendance who are literally paid to be there, to be friendly, to liven up the party, and what ever else.

It only works because there are thousands upon thousands of women out there who have no real marketable skills beyond the fact that they are young, somewhat attractive women. Its like many have the choice between living on the edge of poverty or making a few thousand a month partying, stripping a couple of times a week, maybe a porn movie ever now and then, possibly working as an extra in a legitimate movie, being an escort when the conventions are in town, and even prostitution. So you say he’s had sex with thousands; if that’s how he wants to spend his money, whatever. And you’re so in awe that he has a porn star girlfriend. You do realize that porn stars will literally have sex with anyone, and in some cases; anything. A real class act.

So L777 tell me about your 19 conquests. I’ll bet they’re real quality women aren’t they. Nice loving relationships. I’m sure they bring you cookies, put the sweetest little love notes in your pockets after they wash your clothes. They’re always scurrying around all excited telling all their friends about the wonderful man they’ve found, hanging on your arm so proudly.

So let’s cut the crap, you had sex with same 19 drunken sluts that you picked up at the bar that every other guy that goes in there has sex with. Half of them want nothing more to do with you and the other half barely remember you. You’ll keep it up thinking that you’re the man until you hit about 26-27 and suddenly realize that you just can’t get the girls like you used to. You’ll be banging your head against the wall never quite realizing that the women are rejecting you because they’ve matured but you’re still playing video games, telling fart jokes with your buds, smashing beer cans against your forehead, and trying to pick up women with the same tired corny lines.

Then sometime in your early 30’s you’ll marry some woman and her two children from two different dead beat dads and you’ll be happy because, well, it sure beats jacking off every night. But it doesn’t matter because she just married you for your paycheck anyway and will soon tire of sex which will be okay by you because erectile dysfunction will have set in.

So, as your sitting there in your chair, sipping your beer, watching reruns with kids running around and your wife *****ing about the trash not being taken out. Possibly somewhere in your thoughts you’ll start to see that that guy potato was right. All that Don Juan/PUA stuff was a bunch of crap and that to strive to be a quality man of substance, to truly love women, and to develop and maintain lasting loving relationships with women is the better way to go. But probably not, you’ll just sit back and reminisce about those 19 drunken sluts you banged when you were 21.

I might have a NEW hero this week.

I love this potato guy right now, lol. I can't give him any more rep points though.

 

[iqqi]

OK considering you pretty much digressed from the matter in hand and the points I was raising, I'm going to conclude that you have no feasible comeback or counter-arguement. I hate to lower the tone, but I'm 28 years your junior, so forgive me: you lose, prick.

I think he doesn't see the need to keep arguing with you. You should go reread his message, there was a lot of wisdom there. You just couldn't take the delivery.

 

[potato]

Don't be hating just because he's getting the sex you never had when you were his age.

Let’s see, in my second and third year of college I was living with two women, one of who was my girlfriend. I’m sure we had sex at least once every single day we were together plus a few times she brought home a friend of hers to join in. A few months after my 21st birthday, our lease ran out and she moved down to Texas. Maybe a month later I met a real sweetie who, a few years before, had been Miss Teen Colorado or something like that. We dated for a couple of months and then moved in together. I’m sure I had sex with her at least once every single day that we lived together.

Let’s see, at least 400 times when I was 20, maybe only 300 times when I was 21. I’m real jealous of that 19+1.

I’m not hating, I’m giving him crap just for the fun of it.:yes:

Gotta love how you're calling these women sluts for wanting to have sex with him, then you turn around and tell him he needs to truly love women.

I rarely go to bars or clubs because I don’t drink alcoholic beverages, but I have gone, I know what goes on. I’ve met a few of those women who regularly go to bars/clubs with the express purpose of getting guys to buy them drinks, give them drugs, and take them home and have sex with them. Many of them do identify themselves as *****s or slvts and proudly so. I’ve had some extensive conversations with some of these women on the very subject of game. I remember quite well this one woman who would tell me that she was going to do this or that and that guy over there was going to react such and such way and she’d go do it and sure enough the guy would react exactly as she predicted.

I used to get a kick out of watching the dynamics of everything. I used to think that it was rather funny watching the guys who thought that they were so cool with the women - like they were in charge and making the conquests. But it was always so obvious to me that it was the women who controlled the game. Think about it. The whole of the game is designed to get you to act in such a way that the girl will pick you over the guy sitting next to you. Regardless, it is the girl who is the judge, who decides if you are good enough or not. I’ve heard plenty of women make a comment about how they have to do this or that to make their guy think that he was in control.

Also, you say this don juan/pua stuff doesn't work eh?

Not really. It does not have universal application. One of the biggest gripes over on the mystery method website is the lack of quality women. I’m not surprised. I’m sure I violate all of your rules and it never seems to hurt me. I never ask for phone numbers, email address or anything like that. I compliment women, I tell them with full confidence that, “yes, indeed, I do have strong feelings for you”. I buy women things. I’ve taken women on dates on public transportation. I’ll call the next day, heck if I think of something on the way home I’ll call or text her as soon as I get home. I fall in love.

So you can tell us to "truly love women" and "maintain lasting loving relationships"?

Perhaps another time, it’s getting late.

 

[potato]

I might have a NEW hero this week.

I love this potato guy right now, lol. I can't give him any more rep points though.

Thank you. You know, this is playing out pretty much how things play out in the real world. I mostly march to the beat of my own drum, expressing my opinions quite freely, doing my own thing. A few of the guys will be thinking I’m cool, but most will be thinking I’m an a$$hole, gay, or just a damn idiot. But the women are a whole different story. They’ll be looking at me smiling, flirting.....

 

[iqqi]

The funniest part of this site, IMO, is how much men here are like the women they describe!

Many men say they want one thing, but are constantly posting about how they keep going after another, with the excuse that all women are the same in some aspect. Its all so silly.

It is common knowledge with many women that many men don't know what they want. Sound familiar?

This site has a wealth of good info. It's only when someone takes it like a religion, with rules, and get extremist about it, that it becomes a big joke ON THEM.

A man with meaningful standards and principles, and a brain of his own, is very attractive in the real world.

 

[Quiksilver]

Back on topic please.

 

[iqqi]

Back on topic please.

Lol. I thought all looks related threads were going to be locked anyways.

As to the original question... would you rather NOT be good looking? Thought not. Thread question SOLVED.

 

[Luveno]

As a general rule, physical attractiveness makes human interaction easier for both parties.

If a handsome man is having trouble with dating, it is because he is missing the skills of gaming and interaction. Once he overcomes this hurdle, nothing stands in his way.

An average or ugly man is always burdened by his lack of physical attractiveness regardless of how much "game" he has. He must compensate for this by making his game watertight. To AMOG a handsome man, he must have a far more well-tuned game.

Handsome men are very rarely seen dating ugly women - food for thought.

 

[bigjohnson]

It is common knowledge with many women that many men don't know what they want. Sound familiar?

Men know what they want but it's socially unacceptable to say it out loud, so we don't. Women have no idea what they want but they say what society tells them they should want.

So no, it's not similar it's almost perfectly different.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Men know what they want but it's socially unacceptable to say it out loud, so we don't. Women have no idea what they want but they say what society tells them they should want.

So no, it's not similar it's almost perfectly different.

Hey, how many posts have you seen in the forum titled "Got her phone number, now what do I do?" I know it's not an absolute norm but it's funny as hell. I will say that women tend to be more specific with what they want. A lot of guys in the forum haven't really thought about defining what they want beyond a woman who looks hot and will put out within three dates.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...Back on-topic though, no good looking guys do not necessarily have it easier or harder. I've seen guys, who girls would consider good looking, have a hard time (not because of their looks, but rather because of their awkward behaviour), I've also seen them have an easy time, but it is not about their looks, because I've seen not so good looking guys have an easy time too.

I'd go as far as saying that they would have a more difficult time for the very reason that you had given. Sure, they can get a woman's attention easier but then they need to have something to back it up, more times than not to the extent of their attractiveness.

Guy's have pointed things out like fame, power and money as factors and a good looking guy has to have something at least to this extent to keep a woman interested. Unfortunately, nowadays it's easy for another guy at least as good looking to be more famous, more powerful or more wealthy. This is why it would be hard for them to get by on looks alone.

The guy's who have something else to offer, something unique that resonates with a woman will sustain her attention longer. Consider the "stereotypical bad boy," other than a select group not many are known first and foremost for their looks. Women are attracted to them alright, but it's mostly for how the guys make them feel. They touch a woman at a depth that looks alone can only scratch the surface.

 

[LivA]

The guy's who have something else to offer, something unique that resonates with a woman will sustain her attention longer. Consider the "stereotypical bad boy," other than a select group not many are known first and foremost for their looks. Women are attracted to them alright, but it's mostly for how the guys make them feel. They touch a woman at a depth that looks alone can only scratch the surface.

Amen to this!! Plus, most good-looking guys are all arrogant and retarded, because their attitudes got the stupid 19 year girls they screwed around with in college to spread their legs. You know the king, good-looking guy, talks loud, trying to outdo everyone, and a real a$$.

 

[DanelMadr]

Oh yea, like you’re hurting my feelings or something. You and L777 take this stuff way too seriously. Do you go to a comedy club and brood?

My response to the OP was 100% honest. There was no intention at all to impress - just to illustrate the misconception of the OP. If it bothers you, then that’s your problem, not mine.

I began posting on this site in response to Rollo and a few of his minions invading other sites with his long winded nonsense like they were going to somehow enlighten everyone. It’s not like it was difficult to trace it all back to here and to Rollo’s personal site.

I find it rather amusing that guys, who are so frustrated at their inability to attract women that they exhibit misogynist characteristics, think that by following a few guidelines, pick up a few tricks, they will transform into babe magnets is amusing beyond belief. David DeAngelo, Mystery, Rollo, and all the rest really don’t know nearly as much about women as they claim.

The whole claiming understanding of women from evolution/biology/psychology is BS pure and simple. They are little more than charlatans making money off of the unfortunate. I’ve seen a video of David DeAngelo giving one of his seminars. All I could think was that there was a reason that those men had such a hard time attracting women. It’s nature’s way of cleansing the gene pool. To think that any of those guys would one day be out getting what ever hot woman they wanted was enough to send me rolling on the ground laughing.

You must know that the whole PUA thing was developed to pick up women who are at bars/clubs, who are drinking and somewhat hoping that they’ll meet a guy.
The whole idea is to get them home and nail them before they sober up. Not exactly an honorable way to get women. Most flake, I’m sure, because they do sober up.

The whole Don Juan thing is also rather amusing. The original was a despicable character. He was a psychopath who deceived everyone around him; he essentially raped women, and even murdered a man. At the end of the story he was drug down to hell. And many of you want to be a Don Juan. I’m not impressed at all. Ironically, translated into English, Don Juan becomes Sir John, the name of the man who first devised a flushing toilet.

It may surprise some of you but the vast majority of couples come together in a way that absolutely ignores everything you’ll ever learn in Double Your Dating, the Mystery Method, Spinning plates, and every other, how to get women bit.

As is alluded to in the If You Don't Attract Beautiful Woman Something Is Very Very Wrong thread, what attracts women to men and men to women is something that really can’t be shown or even necessarily learnt. It’s like there is just something in the air that draws you together. It’s actually a chemical response that requires a back and forth action. In every case, with every girlfriend I’ve ever had, there was an initial attraction that was immediate and very mutual. Almost as if by magic, with every one of them we were/are highly compatible in a wide range of areas.

No game required, only the ability to exude and receive the appropriate chemicals.

My words. My sincere regards sir.

Being honest with the world (yourself and others) and having no fear. Thats what it is all about.

This cult of Don Juan is pretty funny.

 

[dj mac]

And guys with money have a harder time buying sports cars than guys without money.

This site has warped our minds.

lololol so true

 

[DanelMadr]

I want to know some of your guys opinions on whether a good looking guy has it easier or harder time getting girls.

My opinion is that...good looking guys have a harder time getting girls than average looking people...here are my reasons:

1. If a good looking guy hits on an average looking girl....she would either think that he is just playing around with her or he must be a loser for hitting on her because she thinks he can do better.

2. When a good looking guy hits on a hot girl, she automatically assumes he must be a player and hence will put up more and difficult sh!t tests, than she would to an average guy.

3. The girl knows he is good looking and will be less open to him, because she knows that if she opens up to, she might end up doing the nasty with him. (the girl will be even more less open if she is in a relationship.)

4. Good looking guys really can't use the methods out there like negs and c+f, like how average looking guys can, because they will seem like an *******. So what happens is, that the conversation gets boring because you can't bust her balls because she will take it too seriously and she will start losing interest.

5. When good looking guys talk to girls they get so nervous they just want to leave, which sucks.

6. Girls automatically assume they are taken.

7. Here is a good one...if a girl has a boyfriend and you don't even like that girl and just want to be friends..she will act so distant from you because she doesn't want other people to think that she is cheating on her boyfriend. wtf? Just because your good looking.

8. The girls that good looking guys get are usually dumb and egotistical girls.

I have alot more but i'm stopping now. what do you guys think?

Above average is extreme and it brings extreme reactions. Some reject you and some love you just because your looks. Average looking guy doesnt have this problem - nobody notices him. So he has to put aviator gogless on his head and acts like he has "it".

1. True but...Average looking girls are throwing themselves on you themselves...just pick one. Why would you hit on average looking girls anyway? Never pick what you wouldnt date.

2. True. They even have orgasm by rejecting you. It is food for their ego to reject good looking guy - presumably a player. It happens. It is called rejection. Average looking guys know it too in different ways but they know.

3. Sometimes true sometimes not. They are scared to talk and dance because they dont want you to think they are dumb or cant dance. It is your work to calm her down. And if she is so scared you cant do that in real time, then forget her. She would eventually go nuts beside you.

4. True. But it is not Busting or Boring. If she cant take "neg" you can compliment her or just stare in her eyes or let her talk. Talk about movies for petes sake.

5. Sometimes. It is your job to make her feel comfortable around you. If she simply cant relax then she cant....she just throwed towel in the ring. You cant force her.

6. If so then it is only excuse for their fear...read 3. and 5.

7. just friends huh? It is quite rare when two people of opposite sex are just friends. Then she is not much of a friend if she sees you sexually isnt she? Be aware of their boyfriends and husbands. Guys will hate you if you are taller or better good looking. If you slip they will joyfully crack your spine. Envy is mortal sin for a reason

8. If its their choice. They should be more picky then. Make sure you are.

My conclusion. There are more pluses than minuses to be good looking. What holds you back are only your fears. And when you are handsome then there is more to be expected from you so you are under more pressure. Dont let it break you.

Dont think about excuses why it is hard to make it. Just live. Make sure what you want. Work on your fears (fear of rejection for example). Be honest with yourself. Dont be too hard on yourself on the other hand....take it easy.

 

[Mad Manic]

Don’t most men get laid anyway?

Nope, most men are single not out of choice and the women usually have a bf. The market is distorted. That's why I don't agree that guys don't get laid because they have bad social skills or are ugly or whatever. The dynamic has become so distorted in terms of women having sexual power, that a good looking guy with decent social skills will go on a night out and it's damn unlikely he'll bring a girl home of any quality. The day I see it, I'll take my hat off to him.

MM

 

[LostAndConfused]

Yup.

Nope, most men are single not out of choice and the women usually have a bf. The market is distorted. That's why I don't agree that guys don't get laid because they have bad social skills or are ugly or whatever. The dynamic has become so distorted in terms of women having sexual power, that a good looking guy with decent social skills will go on a night out and it's damn unlikely he'll bring a girl home of any quality. The day I see it, I'll take my hat off to him.

MM

Woah man thats so true. In the United States too. Doesn't mean its impossible though, you can still pull a decent girl. But it is of course pretty rare. I like to think positive though because its good for the confidence.

Anyways, just as Ketostix said, I think potato is a girl. See how much iqqi agrees with potato? lol.

 

[Mad Manic]

Woah man thats so true. In the United States too. Doesn't mean its impossible though, you can still pull a decent girl. But it is of course pretty rare.

Anyways, just as Ketostix said, I think potato is a girl. See how much iqqi agrees with potato? lol.

I think he's a guy who has done a little better with women than the average desperado and he's giving some big talk in regards to that. The more I improve and the better I get, the more cynical I get. Because my eyes open up as to the BS involved and how women judge men poorly, on very subjective matters along with the objective ones you also have to pass. I prefer maths exams personally.

MM

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Good looking guys have it easier IN THE BEGINNING, and not-so good looking guys have it easier IN THE MIDDLE.

Everybody EQUALS out IN THE END-----because only by being a confident, masculine man, can a man hope to better his chances of being successful with women in the long term.

Or to put it another way:

Who you are on the INSIDE is going to provide the glue that will either make the woman stick to you, OR, who you are on the INSIDE is ultimately going to be the repellant that's going to push her away from you in the end.

 

[potato]

Nope, most men are single not out of choice and the women usually have a bf. The market is distorted. That's why I don't agree that guys don't get laid because they have bad social skills or are ugly or whatever. The dynamic has become so distorted in terms of women having sexual power, that a good looking guy with decent social skills will go on a night out and it's damn unlikely he'll bring a girl home of any quality. The day I see it, I'll take my hat off to him.

MM

I’m pretty sure that there are more women in the world then men. That is to say that there is no shortage of women. Think about what you are saying. If every woman had a boyfriend then aren’t those boyfriends getting laid?

One of the problems that exist is that some guys seem to think that only the most beautiful women are worth pursuing, and I suspect why some fail so miserably. The secret to getting women is to realistically figure out which ones are most compatible with you and pursue only those women.

Earlier I talked about having a sensation or whatever from certain women. I’m sure it comes from the fact that I absolutely know what types of women I am most compatible with. When one comes along, I just know.