Do fat girls, ugs and straight up fugly girls know they're unattractive?

[The Mad Ghost]

By cosmopolitan standards, these girls are disregarded and discarded. Maybe, by other women and partially by society, in the sense of competition. Up untill puberty kicks in, women are attached to their appearance. It's usually not that there attached to their appearance, (the considered goodlooking or beautiful women I mean), it's what their appearance can bring them.

Which would be attention, compliments, self-respect, friends, employment, sex, men and children to name out of the giant list. Having said this, wouldn't these (not-considered goodlooking females) notice they're bottom feeders? Women are constantly in competition with eachother, who has the better house, the better hubby, butt, figure, job, dress, shoes, whatever it may be, all the superficial aspects. So I'm confused. I had to bring this up, as I've been astounded whilst talking to this chubby, not fat, girl online, we've exchanged numbers, but she is forever giving off shifty and pretend-busy behavior on the phone.

I just feel like I'm not doing mankind justice, by NOT showing my ego when talking to her. Is it normal for a guy, considered goodlooking, jockish, average wage, to shut down his ego to ''all'' girls, regardless of their appearance? I think I should put it in lament terms, I think these types of girls should be jumping on any c0ck they can mester up. I'm just saying though. I've really had enough of this.

Somebody said it once, that the average fat guy will stay at home, whilst the average fat girl will go out clubbing. Somehow, there must be a counter-move to fatties, ugs and down right stupid-fugly girls. I mean, come on. Really

 

[Zarky]

They're conflicted. Everyone thinks they're super special, because to themselves they are; and on the other hand unattractive chicks know deep inside that they're not attractive to others.

They expend a great deal of psychological energy trying to keep their egos inflated, and as the night wears on, their energy decreases and they get more and more "real" about their social ranking. I think you'll find, at the end of the night, chubbers/uglies are far more "agreeable" than at the beginning of the night, if for some reason you're inclined to "go there."

 

[The Mad Ghost]

I think you'll find, at the end of the night, chubbers/uglies are far more "agreeable" than at the beginning of the night, if for some reason you're inclined to "go there."

Zarky, can you expand on what you mean by the beginning and end of the night. Are you relating your ideal to the club atmosphere? By, when a Fat Girl enters a club, she is full of joy, full of herself, expecting to be equal with other hotter girls, until they, show otherwise, who eventually, as the night goes on, get the attention, of the desired male(s) as supposed?

 

[The Mad Ghost]

It doesn't matter if they're unattractive or not, they still have more options than the average guy.

Impossible. I have approached fugly girls who had decent-enough bodies for sex. Yet, they were onto me like butter-to-bread. I'm the average guy, in terms of sociallife, work and hobbies. However, I was out of there league for looks most definitely. Why wouldn't the 9 or 10, hell, even 6 or 7s behave this way?

Every women, can't have options. Especially ugly women.

 

[Mike32ct]

I didn't say they had as many options as attractive women. I believe the options hierarchy goes like this:

1. Attractive women
2. Unattractive women
3. Attractive men





4. Unattractive men

Exactly.

 

[Tesl]

Why are you approaching ugly unattractive girls in the first place?

I don't get it.

 

[The Mad Ghost]

2. Unattractive women
3. Attractive men

Sorry? How so.

Why are you approaching ugly unattractive girls in the first place?

I don't get it.

I said, they were ugly. That didn't mean they weren't fvckable or had bodies that were equal to that of other facially, hotter chicks and I'm not directly approaching them, putting words into my mouth? I brang up a one-time-event with a girl online. Come on Tesl, you knew what I meant.

 

[theunflushables]

Sorry? How so.

Because AFCs will still sleep with an unattractive woman at the drop of a hat. And the unattractive women know this.

I used to know this huge woman and she was the biggest slvt I've ever met. (No pun intended.) She could easily have two chumps over in a day just to fvck her and leave.

When it comes to sex, men don't have to weigh the consequences as much as women because on the risk-reward scale reward outweighs risk. A woman on the other hand runs a higher risk therefore she is more selective.

That is why unattractive women are above attractive men in the hierarchy.

 

[The Mad Ghost]

That is why unattractive women are above attractive men in the hierarchy.

A really attractive guy is at the top of the food chain, amongst men in regards to getting laid and having it laid on a silver platter. A women, big, slim, small, fat, skinny, still has to hold some moral value. Her reputation and peers are on the line, a guy is rewarded for banging a considerable amount of women. A women, regardless of her appearance, is not.

 

[theunflushables]

A really attractive guy is at the top of the food chain, amongst men in regards to getting laid and having it laid on a silver platter. A women, big, slim, small, fat, skinny, still has to hold some moral value. Her reputation and peers are on the line, a guy is rewarded for banging a considerable amount of women. A women, regardless of her appearance, is not.

Yeah, in just the category of men the attractive male will always be highly favored over the average and ugly males. But because women are selective of who they sleep with they carry an air of being unattainable, thus desirable.

Scenario: Attractive Man (AM) is out for the night and sees Attractive Woman (AW). AM tries to pick up AW but she turns him down for some minor reason (she only dates blondes) and ends up going home with Alpha. So AM moves on and ends up going home with Average Woman (AvW). In math terms this is a negative slope for AM.

Earlier in the night AvM tried to hit on AvW but he was also turned downed and he ends up with UW. Again a negative slope.

Because men are more willing to fvck without hesitation we tend to have negative slope. Women being able to afford being selective tend to have positive slope.

Because a woman's slope is always perceived as rising she has more value hierarchically than man's. Think of it like stocks. Would you rather buy stocks that are performing well or performing poorly?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Maybe in the world of ONS and at parties and clubs where women have all the power, but in the real world that is not the right hierarchy. Women are under 10 times more pressure to be good looking than men. Most girls are ridiculously insecure, especially the ugos. They go to clubs cause its the only place they have any power (all women do at clubs and parties).

Just cause your better looking than a girl doesn't mean she will automatically be into you. Girls are MUCH less into physical appearance relative to guys, its still a key factor for them though.

Also girls are often turned off by guys who clearly just want sex. Nobody goes to clubs to make friends and girls know that. If you get rejected by an ugo its probably because she isn't looking for sex, just attention to make her feel good about herself and you just gave her all she needed. Guys need sex and girls need attention, sometimes the two coincide and sometimes they don't.

At clubs and parties women are on top, but in the real world its men. Cold approach an ugo during the day and then use just a few DJ skills and she will be yours.

But then again im just a newbie so what do I know

 

[Bible_Belt]

But then again im just a newbie so what do I know

I agree with everything you wrote. It may be easier for women to get the cheap sex that men want, but that is not what women want, and therefore by no means do women have everything easier than men.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Haha bible_belt way to summarize what I said into two wise sentences. Everyone hear should remember what you wrote. A guy wants sex to please his ****, a girl wants sex to please her ego and feel loved. Mess with her ego and you will have a huge advantage

 

[nismo-4]

Kerpal & The Unflushables are dead on!

An ugly girl may be ugly, but since she has pu$$y power, she still got options! Naturally, it's easier for a woman to get a man than vice versa. Most PUA guides will give you false hope by contradicting this fact and getting rich off of it. Pretty good scam.

Most men know that it's better to have ANY love than NO love, and it's always good to have at least ONE girl. I've seen most guys lower their standards and even these fatties and uglies reject them! Thanks to this, these women got a whole lot of power, and 9/10 times the woman is the one who chooses!

Case closed.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Scenario: Attractive Man (AM) is out for the night and sees Attractive Woman (AW). AM tries to pick up AW but she turns him down for some minor reason (she only dates blondes) and ends up going home with Alpha. So AM moves on and ends up going home with Average Woman (AvW). In math terms this is a negative slope for AM.

Come on, dude. You're trying to use math to say that looks matter? Is this really what it's come to, now? Listen, for you to disregard everything that goes into club game except for facial symmetry and try to say that "Looks" has a perfectly linear correlation with the quality of girl that you'll be taking home is a horrendous and laughably inaccurate account of how seduction works. I can't believe you actually believe this. Maybe you don't. Maybe I misunderstood what you tried to say. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you clarify if you want.

 

[Chosen1]

A lot of this is so true ugly women do inflate their egos by acting like they are all that. My ex wife had friends that were prettier then her and use to look up to her. She would act all bad and everyone knew she liked black dudes.

 

[zekko]

I think the fat and ugly girls must know on some level that they're not very attractive. But they probably keep holding out HOPE that maybe they really are good looking and that guys find them attractive. That's why they try to get guys that are higher value than them, maybe it offers them some validation. No one wants to believe that they're hideous.

Like Zarky said, it's probably a big wake up call for them to go out to a club and see the attractive girls get all the attention. Kind of a cold slap in the face. They probably have built themselves up in their minds to be a hot woman, and as the night goes on reality must slowly sink in.

Of course, some guys do hit on the fat and ugly girls, so it's probably not all bad for them.

 

[Kailex]

They know that they aren't AS attractive as 9's or 10's, but the problem is that today's society has evolved to a point where every woman believes that they are special in their own way. Years ago, an overweight woman had virtually no chance at scoring any type of male in her local area, unless it was "luck". Now, with the advent of technology after the 90's and the ease by which they can reach out to the rest of the world, they have opened up their chances.

They're also now being told that "Big is beautiful" and "Big girls need love too". The myth of the "BBW" is being spread around like wildfire and it's given them hope.

Now, all they have to do is upload a picture with some angles onto MySpace or Facebook or PoF and they have a better chance at scoring than they did years ago. Now they are being told by dozens and dozens of desperate guys that they look "good" on these dating websites and they are beginning to believe it.

Sadly, I once had a female friend who had a cute face, but 80 pounds too many. She knew what her advantages were: Her face, her cleavage, and personality. She knew her downfalls: Her weight. Instead of trying to lose weight and maximizing her potential, she'd settle for arriving to the club at 12:30 when she knew it'd close at 2:00 AM because her theory was: All the good looking women are taken by 12 AM, so I have a better chance afterward to score me a guy even if he's drunk.

Sad. But so true. And it pertains to what Zarky said as well. She KNOWS what her reality is, so she found a way to sidestep it. Problem is, it worked for her. Always around 1:30 AM, she'd have SOME guy willing to buy her drinks and willing to take her home.
I've seen it happen, guys who are so desperate to score a piece of tail that by last call they are just looking around like a hungry lion trying to score any prey left in the jungle.

Eventual point is: If you had an online dating profile and 20 guys all said they wanted to take you out, wouldn't you begin to feel a little entitled? That self-esteem carries over to the real life and all of a sudden, you realize that they carry themselves as if they were of higher value than you are. You could be a 7, but in this modern age, that 3 could feel like she is an 8.

 

[theunflushables]

Come on, dude. You're trying to use math to say that looks matter? Is this really what it's come to, now? Listen, for you to disregard everything that goes into club game except for facial symmetry and try to say that "Looks" has a perfectly linear correlation with the quality of girl that you'll be taking home is a horrendous and laughably inaccurate account of how seduction works. I can't believe you actually believe this. Maybe you don't. Maybe I misunderstood what you tried to say. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and let you clarify if you want.

No, thats not what I am saying at all. I am against the whole "looks matter" movement. What I was trying to do is prove to Mad Ghost that women rank higher on the sexual hierarchy than men because of the power of the pvssy. I probably should have used labels like High Value Male and Average Value Male instead of Attractive Male and Average Male..

I should also clarify that in this scenario I did not envision any of these males as social artists because we are a small minority of men in the world.

 

[theunflushables]

Years ago, an overweight woman had virtually no chance at scoring any type of male in her local area, unless it was "luck".

Not necessarily true. My grandpa's sister was this fat, ugly, hell-beast of a woman. My grandpa told me she'd have a different man knocking on their door every night looking to get a piece and she'd fvck each and everyone of them. Something very rare for 1940's midwest.

My grandma's sister was just as fat and ugly (and a stupid b1tch to boot) and she married one hell of a good guy.

I think to assume it was different is part of the myth of the "good old days". People weren't purer than as they are now, it just wasn't socially acceptable to broadcast it to the world.

Eventual point is: If you had an online dating profile and 20 guys all said they wanted to take you out, wouldn't you begin to feel a little entitled? That self-esteem carries over to the real life and all of a sudden, you realize that they carry themselves as if they were of higher value than you are. You could be a 7, but in this modern age, that 3 could feel like she is an 8.

I do agree with this. Unfortunately we'll never be able to stop every man from going after the 3's and as long as they do, she'll have that false sense of self-worth.