"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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DJ forum vs Mature Man forum

Thatfeel21

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I feel the MM forum are snipers on a rooftop the way they have the DJ forum by a long shot..
Since coming here, ive realized that the only advice i can really trust comes from the MM forum...
the dj forum seems to be to many ppl giving advice from theory not real life exp. and sometimes they 'sound crazy like an insanity plea'..

any experienced person browsing it can point it out pretty swiftly..

But im all about learning from experience rather than words from a website, but whenever ive been in a particular situation with a female(s) and relationships, the respected posters on there (joekerr, kontroller, jophil, rollo T) always seem to hit the nail dead on with a precision-like hammer...

just thought id convert my thoughts to a computer screen and share them :cool:
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dongfu

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You're pretty much right. Get your advice from the MM, and post your advice in the DJ forum.
 

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Well an older more experience person obviously has more knowledge about life than a teen who thinks he knows everything. When taking advice on the main forum, I would look at the posters age. Mature men will post their age because they have to if they want to post in the MM forum.

However its not a guarantee thats its going to be better, just another factor to use. At time, I respond idioticly in here to idiotic posts. However if your not being idiotic, you would see through that.
 

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I'm all about getting to the core of the issue.
I want to address that.


This is where I feel the strength of the MM forum is really found.
Not necessarily "Should I be aloof? What do I say?" etc.


But if you want to post in the MM forum you do need to post your age, if not , the post will be moved back here.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Microphone Fiend

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Yeah overall The MM forum is the sh!t. I can think of a handful of threads on Plate Theories, Interest Levels and girls who Flakes that have such varying opinions and philosophies discussed and broken down that they hopefully will be archived soon enough so that others can post on it and it will get the attention it deserves.

The younger generations are learning from example so keep it up :up:
 

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Esoteric knowledge vs. exoteric knowledge. But usually its counterproductive to advertise esoteric knowledge, which is what this post is doing. Usually esoteric knowledge is distributed in such a way that potential "initiates" can self-select out of learning it, proving they are unready for the knowledge, allowing only those to enter who are ready to absorb what is being said. For this reason the DJ forum actually serves a very helpful purpose, particularly as SoSuave grows in numbers and gains a wider following.
 

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KarmaSutra said:
I'm too old to pvssyfoot around with symptoms.

Let's deal with the problem, which is why I favor the MM board.
Here! Here!!
 

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MacAvoy said:
When taking advice on the main forum, I would look at the posters age.
I made a thread about "the people who dont post their age." If the advice is sound, then age doesn't really matter, but I am not as likely to listen to a teenager. Also, when I see that someone is older than me, I tend to give them an amount of respect, even if I dont always agree with what they say.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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bigjohnson

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Interceptor said:
... if you want to post in the MM forum you do need to post your age, if not , the post will be moved back here.
You need to put your age in your profile, not make it public. I refuse to make it public strictly out of privacy and honestly the age I put in my profile is only approximate; good enough to honestly satisfy the filtering criteria without nailing it down too much.

For those who care, I'm 40-50 and once married for 15+ years. I know a teeny bit about women. :)
 

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bigjohnson said:
You need to put your age in your profile, not make it public. I refuse to make it public strictly out of privacy and honestly the age I put in my profile is only approximate; good enough to honestly satisfy the filtering criteria without nailing it down too much.

For those who care, I'm 40-50 and once married for 15+ years. I know a teeny bit about women. :)
You need to put your REAL age in your profile atleast. No way in hell were you born in 1910. :nono:

It just helps the MM mods know what posts can be there. Anyone is free to browse though.
 

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TheVirtualMind said:
.... No way in hell were you born in 1910.
The result of that math is over 40, and I'm over 40, and the rule is "must be over 40", so I figured there was no practical difference and it had a certain quiet humor to it. :)
 

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bigjohnson said:
The result of that math is over 40, and I'm over 40, and the rule is "must be over 40", so I figured there was no practical difference and it had a certain quiet humor to it. :)
no sir, the rule is "must be 25 yrs old"
has nothing about 40 in it.
when they see they born in 1910 thing, they assume you are joking and know it is not a real age.
because , what 88 yr old man , posts here?
i mean, WE LIKE OLD PEOPLE, but really... we are not aware of any senior citizens that actually know how to navigate online.
of course, if you were a senior citizen, we would love and accept it... but clearly you are young and vibrant and all that jazz.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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yeah, yeah, they're better than us, BUT YOU CAN'T POST THERE, SO GET OVER IT
 

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hmmm. My experience has been the opposite. I've never liked it when one kind of group is isolated, in this case 'older' people. What you usually get is a bad case of group think. It's very apparent on some forums. For example, in a science forum, you will get a bunch of people who think the exact same way ("religion is baaadd!!!"). I always felt the key to learning is perspective, which is solely the ability to see things from different points of view. How can be that done if you take out a whole age group? I begin to question the value of the MM forum when I started to see some of the patterns of group think emerge (especially when it came to marriage and life in general).

What drew me to sosuave was the various kinds of people that came together for a common cause, which was dating and self-improvement. I liked reading posts where there were posters that never had schooling to posters that had college degrees and everything in between. Unfortunately, the MM forum and the continued ban on religion and politics has gotten me to seek other forums, and as a result, I post here much less now.

To each his own I guess. I know by posting this I probably pissed quite a few people off and I have no intention of doing that. These are my honest feelings towards it. Cheers to those who've learned from that forum. I barely even read it anymore. But hey, I still like the anything else and health and fitness forum so I'll try to stick around :)
 

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I agree with Dongfu. I'm not much for asking advice on the DJ forums. Only here to lend what I can.
 

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penkitten said:
when they see they born in 1910 thing, they assume you are joking and know it is not a real age.
because , what 88 yr old man , posts here?
PK, 1910 + 88 = 1998

Were in 2008 :)
 

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Vendetta081789 said:
I agree with Dongfu. I'm not much for asking advice on the DJ forums. Only here to lend what I can.
I prefer to get "advice" from guys I know are with it, and specialize in the area of my question. Over time, you get a feel for who you resonate with, and who might have a good perspective for you.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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