Drum&Bass
Master Don Juan
no dude, I mean your post is brilliant I love it !Ya think? Then why is it so that you hear women sitting around in circles chanting:
"There are no good 'men' left"?
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
no dude, I mean your post is brilliant I love it !Ya think? Then why is it so that you hear women sitting around in circles chanting:
"There are no good 'men' left"?
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Phrased as a statement of truth, from a woman, about women.penkitten said:its true, we sterotype people too fast.
Especially the younger ones. If you are a guy who hasn't been married by his 30's women women think there HAS to be something wrong with you. It couldn't possibly be because you have been smart enough to avoid the situation until the right woman comes along. Sad but true.penkitten said:wouldnt that be that they are losers because something must be wrong with them if they never got married at all by that age?
i mean things may or may not work out in every relationship, however when a woman meets a man in his mid 30s and he says hes never been married... we automatically think "omigod does he still live in his moms basement? does he have some bacholer pad with a revolving door of ex's? has he ever been serious before? whats wrong with him?"
its true, we sterotype people too fast.
I'm pretty lucky in that I was born with the entrepreneurial gene , so women have pretty much always been a lesser priority to me.Latinoman said:It amazes me how younger people, in their early 20s and mid 20s waste their time learning how to “pick up women”, when in reality they should be learning how to self improve themselves in ALL aspects of their lives.
i bet you sell tons of shirts saying thatVulpine said:It just dawned on me: In this day and age of recycling...
Reduce, re-use, recycle!
:crackup:
They aren't "divorced mature men", they are "gently used".
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
and its not just what women think of men....STR8UP said:Especially the younger ones. If you are a guy who hasn't been married by his 30's women women think there HAS to be something wrong with you. It couldn't possibly be because you have been smart enough to avoid the situation until the right woman comes along. Sad but true.
I subscribe to Details and read that article a couple of weeks ago.
Kinda sick that having a divorce under your belt could be an asset, but I have experienced the prejudice being a never before married 35 year old man myself.
I do however believe that the negative stigma can be negated by certain factors. In my case I think that when women get to know me they take into account that I live my life a little bit differently than most with my business dealings and such.
Hmmmm....I can't think of one time where I have heard a man say anything negative about a woman who has never been married by her 30's. And I certainly don't think that way.penkitten said:and its not just what women think of men....
men think similar things about women not marrying by then either.
sooner or later some of us get wise and realize that it was those people that had it together the whole time, but what can you do?
I agree.STR8UP said:Hmmmm....I can't think of one time where I have heard a man say anything negative about a woman who has never been married by her 30's. And I certainly don't think that way.
I wouldn't necessarily consider it a strike against someone since I know how the world is and I know that anyone can make a mistake, but I am more inclined to view a divorce as a negative than a positive. I have dated a couple of divorcee's and they were pretty much par for the course. No better or worse than the next.
Maybe it's because I see the world differently than most people do and I respect the fact that someone (male or female) has the balls to say "fukk society. I'm doing this MY way".
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
When it comes to divorces...the man is the one that loses the most. We ALL agree on that.So in that situation there we can see two sides.
One is the marketing Jargon about higher social status.
The other is the fact that people can also assume you’re a looser since you did not make it work, the enthuses on it takes a commitment.
This is not about feeling superior. It is not even an argument. There pros and cons in everything.you are no higher better or superior since you have not been married if you do, its simply to make yourself feel better or to justify your reason, since a married guy or a recently divorced guy will have a different view point so in that the argument is a waste of brain power and air, you cant win this argument since people will generally justify there situation in however means they can.
Its not just about money, it is also about illustrating as from the article, men who are willing to commit to a relationship.Latinoman said:This is not about feeling superior. It is not even an argument. There pros and cons in everything.
This is about an article based on how MARKETERS and for that matter WOMEN view a certain breed of men. No every divorce man falls into the category of "with money", "no or little child support commitment", and "no alimony".
It is life...it is the way it is. It is what society brings. No different than we in here characterizing a group of women (and trust me...we do that quite a bit).
You would have to read the entire article to understand it. As you misunderstood my post. It is in Details the Magazine.jonwon said:Its not just about money, it is also about illustrating as from the article, men who are willing to commit to a relationship.
You don’t need the tags of divorce if you go down the women are after money route, it is a plus to have money in that context but I really doubt you need to have the divorce tag on to do it.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
This makes it a lot clearer.Latinoman said:You would have to read the entire article to understand it. As you misunderstood my post. It is in Details the Magazine.
Money (from the marketing perspective) was one of the issues. As they clearly touched on the issue of dispossable money as a lot of men today either take advantage of prenups or simply manage to come relatively unscratched from a divorced.
The "willing to commit to a relationship" was more of a PERCEPTION from a woman that provided a remark in the article. She felt those kind of men are more willing to commit as they have been comitted in the past. However, reading some of the men that were interviewed for the article...I have a sense that she had the WRONG impression. That's why the writer categorized them as "Samantha" from "Sex and the City".
I bought the Magazine, so I will write few excerpts:
He's [this is in reference to the guy that is 40 and dated a 32 year old model and prior to that a 26 year old woman] one of a new breed of divorced men who, far from struggling to find a niche for themselves as newly single, are having the time of their lives.
Since childhood, we've been hearing about the one in two marriages that fails. Not much has changed - a study released in the 2005 by the U.S. Census Bureau showed that only about 65 percent of unions make it to the 15-year mark. But while the numbers are about the same as they were a few decades ago, the archetypal 21st-century bachelor is a very different beast from those who came before him - one who would be the envy of the Mr. Mom-style married man. He's not a do-nothing charmer like Jack from Three's Company or Joey from Friends; nor is the Empty Nest's Charley, an aging Lothario laden with medallions. He's...well, he's Samantha from Sex and the City.
This wealthy, formerly married guy is situated squarely in the marketing industry's bull's-eye. He's not necessarily saddled with alimony anymore-the Equality in Marriage Institute reports that the number of prenup inquiries it received more than tripled from 2003 to 2005, to 5,000 a month.
The only woman interviewed in the article said
In some ways, I'd rather date someone who's divorced -at least I know he doesn't have commitment issues," says Ruth, 32, who works in human resources in Toronto. "I don't view it to much differently from a breakup. It's just a relationship that didn't work out."
Later in the article, which is about 2-3 pages long,
"While divorce is still a crisis moment for these men," says Richard N. Pitt, a professor of sociology at Vanderbilt University, "the long-term impact is lessened if he's not bound to the ex-wife financially. And the market for divorced men is very different from the market for divorced women - with or without children in the mix."
A 32-year old cougar who is hung up on commitment since she works in human resources says it's so, so it must be so.In some ways, I'd rather date someone who's divorced -at least I know he doesn't have commitment issues," says Ruth, 32, who works in human resources in Toronto. "I don't view it to much differently from a breakup. It's just a relationship that didn't work out."
I love the way the V-man can cut through the muck and pull out the gems in the mud.Vulpine said:The quote should have been translated:
"I mean, it's just a relationship that didn't work out. My biological clock is ticking so loud in my ears, I'd be more than happy to get with anyone... er, uh, justify being with a divorced man."
Ah... the perspective is from the "coming from someone with little-to-no value" standpoint. It all makes perfect sense now. Hmm... I'm wondering now if Ms. Ruth is a single mother and overweight in addition to pushing her "use by" date.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.