"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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So I've just moved to a new town and started working with this girl. Easily the hottest chick I've ever 'dated'.

We hang out for a few weeks, a couple times a week, but no sex. From talking with her, she is no prude and this seems to be out of her norm. She keeps referring to "all good things come with time" and "if this was a one night stand it would be one thing" etc. So a few days ago I say if she wants to date formally I'd be down. She gives me some line about just getting out of a relationship and she needs her independence. I get blue balled again.

I ignore her for 2 days and then she ends up calling me and we go on a date to a comedy club. Literally the entire time she's texting some dude this memo long texts. I see the name and its some jackass she told me she was ****ing a few months ago. I'd seen her texting this guy a bunch throughout the other weeks and wasn't really bothered until now. I figure the guy is getting balls deep, while I'm serving some unknown role.

When the show ends she picks up her phone again and starts hammering away a text to this guy again. I tell her I have to go to the bathroom, and just fawking leave.

I heard nothing from her / sent her nothing. One of her friends texted my buddy that she knows and was like 'John was super rude to Melissa!'.

Too extreme? Too much of a **** move? I'm usually a nicer guy than this but dammit do I feel vindicated.

John :woo:
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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from wat u say she sounds like she aint even worth ur time
 

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You did a good thing by walking away
and its very rude for her to text some other dude when she is with you on a date.

Good job
 

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That wasn't too extreme. It was just right.

She knew you wanted something from her, and she was more than happy to continue wasting your time.

Next time, invite her camping and then leave her in the middle of the forest.
 

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Man how times have changed. Call me an old git, but when I was younger and used to date young women, this would be out of the question point blank.

Sounds like women have started taking the proverbial because we let them. They need to learn that they can't act like this.

If I'm on a date with a woman and she does this, then I wouldn't throw a hissy fit but sure as f*ck I wouldn't call them for another date. Or buy them another drink or anything. That would be the privileges stopped there and then.

I would finish the date politely, not kiss them, not anything. And then put them down as a rude c*nt and not bother with them again.

So yeah not too extreme. She needs to know she's a p*ss taker and not worth your time.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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few questions that came to mind while reading your post.

how many of these "dates" did you pay for?

what did she ever tell you about "that other guy"....the one she was texting. 9 times out of 10 a woman will reveal her situation with another guy without you having to ask any questions about it. (example: oh that guy was a jerk and treated me so badly. he constantly texts me now and won't leave me alone)

why is her friend texting your friend? what did your friend reply with? hopefully if he was any kind of friend he would have told her friend exactly why you left and that you were tired of the crap she was doing.
 

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Robert28 said:
few questions that came to mind while reading your post.

how many of these "dates" did you pay for?
We went out probably about 5-6 times on 'dates'. I paid for 1. Def not this last one. We've just hung out probably closer to 20 times.

what did she ever tell you about "that other guy"....the one she was texting.
She told me that he was some guy that she had sex with a few months back and they were really good friends and for some reason they stopped talking. Somehow they rekindled.
9 times out of 10 a woman will reveal her situation with another guy without you having to ask any questions about it. (example: oh that guy was a jerk and treated me so badly. he constantly texts me now and won't leave me alone)

why is her friend texting your friend?
Co-workers.
what did your friend reply with?
He played it cool. The whole, I don't know what happened or care route.hopefully if he was any kind of friend he would have told her friend exactly why you left and that you were tired of the crap she was doing.
The fact that she hasn't called is pretty telling. I'm just gonna ignore her and be very civil and act like nothing ever happened at work. Girl got her hooks in, though, and I could def feel oneitis coming on. Super hot. Fun to be around for the most part.
 

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johnhat57 said:
The fact that she hasn't called is pretty telling. I'm just gonna ignore her and be very civil and act like nothing ever happened at work. Girl got her hooks in, though, and I could def feel oneitis coming on. Super hot. Fun to be around for the most part.
I'll bet you $50 that she ends up pregnant by this guy within 2 months.
 

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Robert28 said:
I'll bet you $50 that she ends up pregnant by this guy within 2 months.
You're probably right. I have another date with a new girl tonight, so all is not lost. I'm of the theory, "When your dog dies, get a new dog". Haha.

What I'm really struggling with is why did she bother? Whats the role for me? I wasn't paying for anything really. Who on earth just wants someone to go to 2nd base with for a month?
 

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johnhat57 said:
So I've just moved to a new town and started working with this girl. Easily the hottest chick I've ever 'dated'.

We hang out for a few weeks, a couple times a week, but no sex. From talking with her, she is no prude and this seems to be out of her norm. She keeps referring to "all good things come with time" and "if this was a one night stand it would be one thing" etc. So a few days ago I say if she wants to date formally I'd be down. She gives me some line about just getting out of a relationship and she needs her independence. I get blue balled again.

I ignore her for 2 days and then she ends up calling me and we go on a date to a comedy club. Literally the entire time she's texting some dude this memo long texts. I see the name and its some jackass she told me she was ****ing a few months ago. I'd seen her texting this guy a bunch throughout the other weeks and wasn't really bothered until now. I figure the guy is getting balls deep, while I'm serving some unknown role.

When the show ends she picks up her phone again and starts hammering away a text to this guy again. I tell her I have to go to the bathroom, and just fawking leave.

I heard nothing from her / sent her nothing. One of her friends texted my buddy that she knows and was like 'John was super rude to Melissa!'.

Too extreme? Too much of a **** move? I'm usually a nicer guy than this but dammit do I feel vindicated.

John :woo:

If you knew she was fycking another dude why would you even entertain a relationship with her? The girls a hoe.

Its quite obvious she wasnt sexually attracted to you and was using you for her non sexual entertainment.

You made a play for her and you lost. Happens to the best of us. No big deal.

And yes, you walking out was quite appropriate under the circumstances.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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johnhat57 said:
Girl got her hooks in, though, and I could def feel oneitis coming on.
It's only chemistry. I'm sure you can overcome it. You need to find yourself another squeeze quick sharp.
 

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gaspipe said:
The girls a hoe.
Iceberg said:
Next time, invite her camping and then leave her in the middle of the forest.
Amen to these two ^ Next time order good food and then ditch her with the bill; girls who do what she did to you deserve nothing less.
 

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Robert28 said:
I'll bet you $50 that she ends up pregnant by this guy within 2 months.
Haha!!

As for the OP, you are a badass! You're shining on to a young highschooler like myself. Keep it up dude, nice avoiding One Itieyyyy
 

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Now how do I handle it when I see her at work? That's not going away.

Also this is the first chick I've ever met that wasn't in it for sex / paying for things, but just someone to make out with / sleep with.

In addition, It's one of my rules to not ask a chick to date, let them do that. When you break rules you lose. Her best friend had told me she was saying she really wanted a relationship. I was working on bad intelligence haha.

Got a new date tonight. When you're dog dies, get a new one.
 

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johnhat57 said:
Now how do I handle it when I see her at work? That's not going away.

Also this is the first chick I've ever met that wasn't in it for sex / paying for things, but just someone to make out with / sleep with.

In addition, It's one of my rules to not ask a chick to date, let them do that. When you break rules you lose. Her best friend had told me she was saying she really wanted a relationship. I was working on bad intelligence haha.

Got a new date tonight. When you're dog dies, get a new one.
Never go by what a chick says but by her actions. Her actions = Low IL.
Next.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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johnhat57 said:
Now how do I handle it when I see her at work? That's not going away.

Also this is the first chick I've ever met that wasn't in it for sex / paying for things, but just someone to make out with / sleep with.

In addition, It's one of my rules to not ask a chick to date, let them do that. When you break rules you lose. Her best friend had told me she was saying she really wanted a relationship. I was working on bad intelligence haha.

Got a new date tonight. When you're dog dies, get a new one.
when you see her ignore her. pruposely look the other way when you see her or shes looking at you. if she speaks to you give a one word answer and walk off. if she calls your momma a wh0re just sorta smile and say something to the effect of "thats nice". ignore the b1tch. act like you dont even know her name, never met her in your life.

your first mistake was taking advice from a GIRL about what another girl wanted. girls dont know wtf they want so why would another girl think they know what they want? if you ever hear a girl SAY shes looking for a relationship just remember thats code speak for "ive hoe'd around and i need to save face, but i'm not going to settle for any ol' shmo, i'll just try to find one of those nasty losers ive been screwing and maybe one of them will date me and all will be right with the world."
 

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Nice work boot'n on the beeatch.

I love how the friend calls you rude when the chick was sexting obnoxiously, the whole night.

As to your question of what role did you serve? She used you to make the other dude jealous. Period. So f her, you walking out on her is awesome. I'd love to know how long she waited on you! ha
 

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Man, girls are so fickle these days. The one I was semi-hooking up with this summer was pretty addicted to her Droid phone...lots of guys were always texting her, trying to get her to hang out, etc. - this DOES sound like a red flag, but sadly I think this is the norm with most girls that are moderately attractive and up.

Anyways, I would always grab her phone like "come on, I drove XX minutes to see you, and this is what you do?" and she would apologize and let me keep it. During that time it would be blowing up with desperate chumps...sometimes this chick would even tell me to mess with them on purpose. But if I gave her the phone back, she would go right back to texting these lame losers. At least a couple of them were exes, and she'd be like "well we're still really good friends, blah blah blah"

Long story short our fling didn't work out, and I think she's moved on to banging one of those guys. Oh well.
 

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Johnnyventana said:
Nice work boot'n on the beeatch.

I love how the friend calls you rude when the chick was sexting obnoxiously, the whole night.

As to your question of what role did you serve? She used you to make the other dude jealous. Period. So f her, you walking out on her is awesome. I'd love to know how long she waited on you! ha
Ding Ding Ding. This is exactly it. You don't realize somethings until they happen, but yes. I am sure this was it.

Evidence to contribute to this theory:
- She always wanted to take pictures of the two of us an put them on facebook immediately. I'm sure just to rub it in this guys face.

I don't like getting played. **** that noise. I feel like a chump haha.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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