Direct vs Indirect Game

[Georgepithyou]

Direct game works well on “yes girls” (women who have consciously decided they’re attracted to you), and it saves time with “no girls” (women who have consciously decided they’re not interested in you).

Indirect game allows you to fly “under the radar” because you’re leaving room for the girl to doubt whether you’re interested in her.

Using indirect game allows you to cultivate attraction with women who at first have a lukewarm response to you. Once a “maybe girl” realizes your funny, confident, and charismatic, she’s going to become a “yes girl”.

Put simply, direct game is the best tool for learning how to attract women when you’re inexperienced. But indirect game is the best way to attract women when you’ve had a decent number of successes with women in the past.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Just have fun and you'll be good

 

[Larry Lurex]

I tried the indirect route - there is a distinct possibility where an indirect game can lead the player into the friendzone.

Projecting sexual energy upon first impression wastes less time.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I tried the indirect route - there is a distinct possibility where an indirect game can lead the player into the friendzone.

Projecting sexual energy upon first impression wastes less time.

Being in the friend zone is sometimes where you want to be, introductions can be made... Why bang her when you can go after all her friends.

Having an in into a social circle can be a very powerful tool, especially from a woman, the second she cosigns you that is a very powerful statement.

 

[SargeMaximus]

I tried the indirect route - there is a distinct possibility where an indirect game can lead the player into the friendzone.

Projecting sexual energy upon first impression wastes less time.

Second this.
I’ve never been able to make indirect game work. Whereas with direct game I’m pleased to say I have more lays than I can count.

 

[Larry Lurex]

Being in the friend zone is sometimes where you want to be, introductions can be made... Why bang her when you can go after all her friends.

I find women to be catty and possessive - they don’t share happiness between women. It a constant competition with them. It’s why they don’t take make up tips from their own friends.

Furthermore, if you’re not good enough for one, you’re not good enough for any of them.

your mileage may vary, though.

Having an in into a social circle can be a very powerful tool, especially from a woman, the second she cosigns you that is a very powerful statement.

Yes, social proof is vital, but it is best if your social standing is formed by your circle, and is witnessed externally by women.

I wanted to bang hot drum and bass chicks back in the 2000s - a player at the club told me not to approach the girls directly. Instead, he told me to build rapport with the dudes first. Once you’re cool with the boys, only then the girls start to get curious.

 

[bat soup]

Direct game works well on “yes girls” (women who have consciously decided they’re attracted to you), and it saves time with “no girls” (women who have consciously decided they’re not interested in you).

Indirect game allows you to fly “under the radar” because you’re leaving room for the girl to doubt whether you’re interested in her.

Using indirect game allows you to cultivate attraction with women who at first have a lukewarm response to you. Once a “maybe girl” realizes your funny, confident, and charismatic, she’s going to become a “yes girl”.

Put simply, direct game is the best tool for learning how to attract women when you’re inexperienced. But indirect game is the best way to attract women when you’ve had a decent number of successes with women in the past.

I'd say there are also sometimes social reasons that may force you to be indirect. For example, if there are other people around that could interfere or judge you. But generally, you should switch from being indirect to being direct as soon as possible, otherwise you'll just end up wasting a lot of time.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I find women to be catty and possessive - they don’t share happiness between women. It a constant competition with them. It’s why they don’t take make up tips from their own friends.

Furthermore, if you’re not good enough for one, you’re not good enough for any of them.

your mileage may vary, though.



Yes, social proof is vital, but it is best if your social standing is formed by your circle, and is witnessed externally by women.

I wanted to bang hot drum and bass chicks back in the 2000s - a player at the club told me not to approach the girls directly. Instead, he told me to build rapport with the dudes first. Once you’re cool with the boys, only then the girls start to get curious.

We could banter on nuance all day, the point is that whatever position you find yourself in, quitting isn't the answer, everything is a resource and every situation can be turned to benefit you, unless your coming off as Creepy, then you get no social value or play

 

[Serenity]

Direct game is easier. It makes your intention abundantly clear and it quickly weeds out anyone who isn't a "yes girl" as you say.

Indirect game is a lot harder to master. I think guys are often too indirect when attempting it, not making their intention clear enough and as such are interpreted as a friend rather than seen in any sexual way. Being indirect doesn't mean totally concealing what it is you want, in my opinion you still need to show what type of interest you take in her and flirt. The main difference is the manner in which you communicate, not the message itself. Being direct is to communicate your interest explicitly, being indirect is to communicate your interest implicitly.

Indirect game can be very powerful, I've used it a lot with success, but it is definitely more demanding than just straight up verbalizing what you want.

As I said, the main reason guys fail at indirect game and end up friendzoned is because they think it means they can conceal their true intent. So the interaction remains entirely platonic without even a hint of anything sexual, but there must be hints of sexual interest. Tension must be built and eventually it must become direct or it will just fizzle out.

Being indirect is fun, gets their hamster spinning a lot more.

 

[Serenity]

I tried the indirect route - there is a distinct possibility where an indirect game can lead the player into the friendzone.

Projecting sexual energy upon first impression wastes less time.

You're saying this as if an indirect approach should be devoid of any sexual energy, as I mentioned in my above reply I think this is a common misconception. I would argue that indirect game without sexual energy isn't even game, it's just a platonic everyday conversation.

To project or not to project sexual energy is not the defining difference between direct and indirect game. It is the manner in which it is projected, whether it's verbal or nonverbal, explicitly or implicitly.

Women are masters of indirect game and most often will apply it if they're very interested in a guy who doesn't yet have her on his radar. They won't verbalize their interest, but they'll try their best to make it abundantly clear to the guy that she's interested through the way she acts. If you've been subjected to this you know what I'm talking about. I have been subjected to this by several women and it's from those experiences I learned how to effectively apply it.

Actual indirect game is somewhere between what you think of as indirect game and direct game. You're saying you're into her without explicitly saying it. You're allowing them to interpret your actions, they'll have you on their mind a lot longer trying to figure you out. That can be very powerful from the simple fact that the time and mental effort they spend thinking about you constitutes emotional investment. They may want to learn more about you, that is by definition interest. The more of this tension you can generate within her, the more effective your indirect game will be.

That's not to say direct game doesn't work, it does with lesser effectiveness and on slightly fewer women. The main weakness of direct game is that it doesn't get her hamster spinning nearly as much and doesn't induce the high tension and excitement about you that comes with it.

I personally also find it a lot more entertaining to toy around with their mind a little, but that's just me.

 

[Velasco]

Indirect game allows you to fly “under the radar” because you’re leaving room for the girl to doubt whether you’re interested in her.

It's about moving up the escalation ladder (starting at light touches if no indicators of interest, starting at moderate touches if indicators of interest (you already know shes attracted to you) while flirting

If after you've spiked her emotions (she's smiling, asking questions etc.) she's not ok with your light touches, move on. If you don't move up from light to moderate touches, she'll move on cuz your not moving things forward. And then pulling soon after the intense physical expressions.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Do you really think a girl would let go a good source of attention/validation and pass it to one of her friend? She won't introduce you to her friends trust me on that, unless she is not attracted to you at all and wanna help her fat ugly friend to meet someone.
Even if you are in the friendzone, she will keep you just for her, girls don't like to share and are very envious/jealous of other girls.

You don't want to be in the friendzone.

Well, there are levels of game that exist and I regularly have begun preaching about newer players following the DJ Bible, it's important, but obviously this isn't for newer players... Like the fact that you don't see being social, as an opportunity, tells me that you are on a different level of game.

Being social IS game. Your ability to be social, as a man, is something that needs to be developed, so for example, I do reviews of restaurants, I have a blog, I have an Instagram following because of those things and I also have a large network of friends because I am from a smaller town where everyone knows everyone.

Women today, have something called Agency; that means, that she is free to take up any socially acceptable cause, like for example, women can be advocates of women's rights, where as a man, cannot as effectively be an advocate for man's rights, because he is a man, he stands to gain from the things he promotes, similar to how black people can credibly advocate for the rights of black people, they have agency in a way that white people do not. Women still have more agency then black people, in my opinion, but this just speaks to the high agency they have.

Being a social man, means you have less agency and because of that, the playing field needs to be leveled... So the idea of making yourself less available, or making yourself more attractive, or projecting sexual energy you might not project in another situation, what we are doing in these situations, is we are engaging in manipulation. We don't have agency, so we need to play a different game.

Manipulation, to me, is the height of game and some just outright disagree with me on that, it's not an established concept, the Red Pill is already under fire, this doesn't help that, but we're already knee in manipulation anyways, most are just in denial about it.

This is why I say that Philosophy is a part of game, because you have to be self aware of what you are actually doing, like most men here disagree with me that making yourself less available is manipulation, yet have no other place to put this strategy into because that's what it is, but we want to view ourselves as players, rather than manipulators, but we are manipulators and this denial of it, just means that we limit ourselves and our strategies.

So for men who are not social, are not embracing manipulation, sure, probably isn't a great idea, but for men who are, one of the things that you can do with manipulation is establish your own agency and advocate for yourself which is typically not a good look.

So sure, she wants you to orbit, she wants you to submit to her agency, however when you have social value, you have your own agency, for example, most women don't want a dude on their Instagram, but I have my own, so I can just take a picture and tag her in it and what is she gonna do about it? Nothing, because I'm an "Orbiter" and she isn't going to say "Hey Orbiter, can you take that down?" because she understands that in order for me to "Orbit" I need to be left in the dark on her dealings with other men, again, why most women don't have men on their Instagram... So doing this, I press my agency ahead of her own, now I'm gonna be brought up in conversation amongst her friends whether she likes it or not. See, I'm not giving her a choice, I'm playing my game, I'm manipulating.

Social media is powerful, when you have a following, dudes that don't, just want to be your friend, period, there isn't any "getting into the good graces of other men" that just happens automatically.

See, I'm bringing tools into my game, that most of you just dismiss or wouldn't think to use... But that building of the following, is why I preach purpose, when you are on your righteous purpose, again my purpose is doing food, restaurant, parks and places reviews, I can have a following now, through my purpose. Most of you are not on the level where you see the value in having a purpose, most of you are out chasing women and that's cool, but YOUR not cool. Be cool.

Sorry this post turned out waaay longer than I intended and it isn't really even fleshed out lol

 

[2Rocky]

In a "daygame" setting indirect is more congruent. In a "Night Game" setting direct is expected. It all comes down to the setting.

If I ask a woman in a club to dance, I'm already 10 steps ahead of if I meet a woman walking in the park.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

In a "daygame" setting indirect is more congruent. In a "Night Game" setting direct is expected. It all comes down to the setting.

If I ask a woman in a club to dance, I'm already 10 steps ahead of if I meet a woman walking in the park.

I like that

 

[Lookatu]

Using indirect game allows you to cultivate attraction with women who at first have a lukewarm response to you.

Agree.
In the cold approach daytime setting, indirect game allows you to diffuse them and overcome their defenses if they are in the "maybe" zone and allows you to warm them up. And if you can get them into the "yes" zone, then you can always shift over to direct at that point.

Doing this will save your ego from rejection due to plausible deniability if she stays in the "maybe" zone or if you detect she's going towards the "no" zone. Because at that point, you haven't really made your intentions clear and could've just been friendly conversation or asking some random objective question(ex. Do you know of any good coffee places around here?)

The way you transition from indirect to direct is to look for "extra's" from her. Look at how enthusiastic she is in responding. Look to see if she's trying to extend the conversation. Look to see if she's trying to help above and beyond. Look to see if she's looking directly at you or looking around. Etc..

I recommend the indirect for newbies with approach anxieties. The plausible deniability that the indirect way offers with minimal or no rejection that can bruise the ego will give them better reason to approach more and overcome any anxiety.

 

[In2theGame]

Indirect is a Woman's playground. Masculine energy is about boldness and directness. Direct all day long.

 

[Glassguy]

Direct game works on women who have a high interest in you. Indirect game doesn't.

Don't fool with lower interest chicks. If direct game doesn't work, disappear and don't deal with low interest women. Its too much work to not get anything out of it, or best case scenario.....you do a ton of work over a very long time to get a chance to buy her food and drinks and be a "friend".

Get to the point. Anything but a YES or specific counter offer is a no, and you should be dust in the wind.