"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Direct/30sec: Crazy pattern! Chicks show super-high interest & disappear!
- Thread starter Krassus
- Start date
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Bevo
Don Juan
I can only say I have been there many times and the moment a chic gets really direct, like in my recent case "I am fed up with indecisive boys. You are an intersting man! ask me now!" - well, this is the sound of a door slamming but she wants your foot in between, to a certain degree they want you to get crazy for a moment, at this moment capitalise fast, you got 5 seconds, or forget it.
You didnt tell us about what your last e-mails to them were about. If she sais she wants to see you very soon, she is jumping into your arms from a high point, but if you dont catch her, she crash and get hurt big time.
Its like they give up their mask just for a second hoping you do the same!
You didnt tell us about what your last e-mails to them were about. If she sais she wants to see you very soon, she is jumping into your arms from a high point, but if you dont catch her, she crash and get hurt big time.
Its like they give up their mask just for a second hoping you do the same!
Thanks for all the feedback guys! I'll post up replies to your posts when I get back from my trip (strapped on time now).
For the time being, I decided to have a bit of fun experimenting (hasn't replied in 3 days):
Me: Hi! You need to stop being a brat. Now.
Model: what????
Me: Your reply times need major, major improvement woman! You must drop everything you're doing at once, turn off the phones, board up the windows, and shower me with attention!
P.S. God, I hope you have a sense of humor, otherwise we're so screwed that it's not even funny.
Model: Hows this good enough for you????? Im actually not going to be on here very
much today I have a photo shoot and then its a friends birthday tonight....
But send me another message and we will see how long it takes me to get
back..... lol...
To be continued. God, email is so fvcking slow.
update: Updated the dialogue.
For the time being, I decided to have a bit of fun experimenting (hasn't replied in 3 days):
Me: Hi! You need to stop being a brat. Now.
Model: what????
Me: Your reply times need major, major improvement woman! You must drop everything you're doing at once, turn off the phones, board up the windows, and shower me with attention!
P.S. God, I hope you have a sense of humor, otherwise we're so screwed that it's not even funny.
Model: Hows this good enough for you????? Im actually not going to be on here very
much today I have a photo shoot and then its a friends birthday tonight....
But send me another message and we will see how long it takes me to get
back..... lol...
To be continued. God, email is so fvcking slow.
update: Updated the dialogue.
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WhitePimp
Master Don Juan
I do this kind of approach as well and also have very similar close ratios. I'm at the point where I just don't care about making any more effort than this with approaching. This approach is so much fun for me (getting rejected is actually more fun than getting a number for some reason...is that sick or what?). I dont really have any time for girls anyway so this approach keeps me in there without feeling bad for building rapport only to ditch the girl. I've had a bit more success with getting the date though...my basic routine is pretty much flat out honesty (once again, I really dont care if I go out with her or not so I never feel aggravation is I dont get her number)
"Hi I'm Andrew, and you are...? I saw you from there and thought you were cute and I want to go out with you. Let me get your number. "
That's pretty much all I do (I eye fvck the hell out of them during this) and it works. Even when they pull out the boyfriend line it's still buttloads of fun because it never gets old, I can throw in some pretty edgy experimental ****, and it's so direct. I either win or lose and if I do lose, there's a girl right behind that one I can try it on. Most girls know exactly who I am when I call...the dude who came from nowhere with enormous balls.
"Hi I'm Andrew, and you are...? I saw you from there and thought you were cute and I want to go out with you. Let me get your number. "
That's pretty much all I do (I eye fvck the hell out of them during this) and it works. Even when they pull out the boyfriend line it's still buttloads of fun because it never gets old, I can throw in some pretty edgy experimental ****, and it's so direct. I either win or lose and if I do lose, there's a girl right behind that one I can try it on. Most girls know exactly who I am when I call...the dude who came from nowhere with enormous balls.
Create Reality
Master Don Juan
WhitePimp said:
And what kind of kiss/bl0wjob/fcuk close success have you had with these approaches?
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Whitepimp, I like your direct style. I may try it sometime. I tried something similar to this at a basketball game once, where a girl came and sat down next to me and kept getting closer, so basicly I just turned to her and said, "Hey, what's your name?"...."Alyssa"(plays with hair and smiles)...."I'm Ryan...want me to give you a call sometime?"...(nervous girl that can barely speak) "yeah"....."ok, what is your number?"..."555-5555". so, I got the number, and I know it was her real number because I got her voicemail twice on two different days...I called her and she never picked up...later i found out she was only 14 and had a bf!!!! She was the one that came and started getting closer to me on the bleachers during the game! She looked much older. They can trick us!
Bevo
Don Juan
what do you expect? 14 year old kids are not spoilt by Sex and the City-mind-sets yet and naturally show their interest in sex very directly.
But of course they will be "scared of their own courage" as one girl explained to me.
But of course they will be "scared of their own courage" as one girl explained to me.
ryannath said:
Not sure if this is of any help, but I used to get lots of flakes after the first date.
What I realized is there has to be SOME kind of connection and similarity between you two.
Also, if you don't make the moves at the right time - interest is lost. I am not sure why, but if I don't go for it when it feels right - girls flake.
Often it takes so little to get to want each other and then there is this stage of "OK, we both want each other, we are cool, bla bla" and the only thing left to do is just go for it!
What I realized is there has to be SOME kind of connection and similarity between you two.
Also, if you don't make the moves at the right time - interest is lost. I am not sure why, but if I don't go for it when it feels right - girls flake.
Often it takes so little to get to want each other and then there is this stage of "OK, we both want each other, we are cool, bla bla" and the only thing left to do is just go for it!
Uh, you can't compare his f-close % to your #-close %...Krassus said:
WTF? TOTALLY different stats here!!!
F-close is the only real close that matters.
Sure, you can go direct and get a number. But, is your goal to get #'s or get laid? If you want to get laid, you need to do a lot more than just get her #...
Seriously, I know a guy like you. He goes direct and gets their number quick. But, they always end up flaking out on him because he doesn't create enough attraction & comfort to keep their interest.
ExploringOne
Don Juan
Why cut yourself off at the knees?
Nothing wrong with a direct approach, but stay in for 15-30 minutes and you'll find your flake rate will be reduced. I find that it helps alot if you not only stay in the set, but also anchor yourself in their minds, create some kind of an association. So far every single girl I have given a nickname to, has not flaked on me.
Reverse the roles. A hot girl comes up to you, says she likes you. You talk for under a minutes, then she asks for your number. Of course you will give it to her. A week later, if she calls of course you're gonna pick up.
Nothing wrong with a direct approach, but stay in for 15-30 minutes and you'll find your flake rate will be reduced. I find that it helps alot if you not only stay in the set, but also anchor yourself in their minds, create some kind of an association. So far every single girl I have given a nickname to, has not flaked on me.
Reverse the roles. A hot girl comes up to you, says she likes you. You talk for under a minutes, then she asks for your number. Of course you will give it to her. A week later, if she calls of course you're gonna pick up.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
legolas
Master Don Juan
This might be late to the game, but here are my 2 cents:
1. I agree that HB10 have more options but 90% of those options are lame dudes who just want to get in her pants and then tout their "victory" No woman wants to be treated like that. So in reality they don't really have options and they crave a REAL man who knows what he wants and has his life in order and who will not use her as another notch on his belt.
2. I think you may not be leaving enough of an impact on their lives. Knowing that you can get their interest in 30 sec, what would happen if you stuck around for like 5 minutes and built some familiarity and rapport? If you continue with the same philosophy, you may very well leave so much impact they will never forget you!!
1. I agree that HB10 have more options but 90% of those options are lame dudes who just want to get in her pants and then tout their "victory" No woman wants to be treated like that. So in reality they don't really have options and they crave a REAL man who knows what he wants and has his life in order and who will not use her as another notch on his belt.
2. I think you may not be leaving enough of an impact on their lives. Knowing that you can get their interest in 30 sec, what would happen if you stuck around for like 5 minutes and built some familiarity and rapport? If you continue with the same philosophy, you may very well leave so much impact they will never forget you!!
My guess is you only did BT pumping and not a really solid interaction. This will cause chicks who show really high interest to flake. But anyway, you shouldn't even let a few chicks flaking affect you, move on and find other girls. It's a proven fact that even the best PUA's don't get the number 100% of the time.
rushing dude 123
Master Don Juan
i am very impressed by ur results in direct approaches, something along the lines i wish to achieve some day with my own style. I have a belief everything is possible and i believe its possible to get a girls attraction + number in 30 seconds and that lead to a series of dates with her after. Now ur half way there just need some refining ur game at the end. After u get the number maybe u should try calling these girls instead of texting or emailing them, that way u can build some rapport on the phone and set up a date on the "first" call. Give new thing things a try its the only way u will find the solution for urself.
That is the only thing i can c that could b causing a problem, but dude other than that ur doing great.
That is the only thing i can c that could b causing a problem, but dude other than that ur doing great.
SmoothTalker
Master Don Juan
I don't know if its because I live in a relatively small city (~200k) but I think we greatly overestimate how much even very hot girls get approached.
Yes, they do have options, but I know some very attractive women (including models and just overall hotties) and they aren't getting approached 5-10 times a day like we say.
Maybe once a week in general, once or twice a night if they go somewhere where pickups are expected like a bar or club. And few of these are serious approaches, mostly just "Hey let me buy you a drink, what's your number" or guys coming up and grinding on them only to be shoved away.
Yes, they do have options, but I know some very attractive women (including models and just overall hotties) and they aren't getting approached 5-10 times a day like we say.
Maybe once a week in general, once or twice a night if they go somewhere where pickups are expected like a bar or club. And few of these are serious approaches, mostly just "Hey let me buy you a drink, what's your number" or guys coming up and grinding on them only to be shoved away.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I-am-someone
Senior Don Juan
Okay, let me analyze.
You open really quickly. Peak interest.
Subsequently, you communicate with these women through media. E-mail, text messages, phone-calls. Unless you're a born writer/talker, this usually doesn't do much for interest, it's just a way to "keep in contact."
Another, more important factor that decreases interest is time.
Like you said, sometimes you don't get in contact after a week.
By the time that week has passed, you're "that guy that was interested in her", not "that guy she was interested in".
Let me suggest a slight strategy modification that could help:
Try to get the girl to schedule the next meeting with you the first time you meet. If you can't get enough rapport/interest from her in the approach to get to this point, it's going to be pretty difficult to get it from e-mailing/calling.
You open really quickly. Peak interest.
Subsequently, you communicate with these women through media. E-mail, text messages, phone-calls. Unless you're a born writer/talker, this usually doesn't do much for interest, it's just a way to "keep in contact."
Another, more important factor that decreases interest is time.
Like you said, sometimes you don't get in contact after a week.
By the time that week has passed, you're "that guy that was interested in her", not "that guy she was interested in".
Let me suggest a slight strategy modification that could help:
Try to get the girl to schedule the next meeting with you the first time you meet. If you can't get enough rapport/interest from her in the approach to get to this point, it's going to be pretty difficult to get it from e-mailing/calling.
broken dreams
Senior Don Juan
HEY MAN just read this so how you appraoc and what do you say?
where's the Pattern ? I still havent seen it or read it? what's it called.
if you use direct, you must be projecting alpha male, I get rejected when i use direct I rather use Indirect for Daygame and transition
nightgame I use direct in tease sort of way.
nayway-
after the first call go for the date,meet up somehwere near your house.
I try to go for the instant date or **** her in the momment, like Lovedrop said once " you should try to get inside her world fast " that way you get to consistently game her until you get blown out.
I knoweasier said than done... or like some guy here say find yourself a slut .. I love those
where's the Pattern ? I still havent seen it or read it? what's it called.
if you use direct, you must be projecting alpha male, I get rejected when i use direct I rather use Indirect for Daygame and transition
nightgame I use direct in tease sort of way.
nayway-
after the first call go for the date,meet up somehwere near your house.
I try to go for the instant date or **** her in the momment, like Lovedrop said once " you should try to get inside her world fast " that way you get to consistently game her until you get blown out.
I knoweasier said than done... or like some guy here say find yourself a slut .. I love those
Alphamale1821
Senior Don Juan
the thing with direct that I've learned is if your going to go direct you need to stay direct. And honestly man getting a chicks number is just WAAAAAY to easy now days dude. Instead of going for a simple number, why not go for an INSTANT DATE right then and their. Really sweep her off her feet, or try to go for a kiss or better yet lay close. Only after YOU have decided that she is of some interest to you then you should get her number.
I've made a mental note to myself that whenever i'm going direct my goals are either: instant date, makeout close or bang bang boogie boogie close . If all signs are green and none of the above are possible then thats when i go for a number close. If your going direct you have to push harder. But be weary being Direct during day game can be difficult so keep practicing and learn to calibrate it.
I've made a mental note to myself that whenever i'm going direct my goals are either: instant date, makeout close or bang bang boogie boogie close
. If all signs are green and none of the above are possible then thats when i go for a number close. If your going direct you have to push harder. But be weary being Direct during day game can be difficult so keep practicing and learn to calibrate it.