“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Detailed Breakdown of the Friend Zone

Dirtheart

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I usually solve many of my problems and personal issues by meditating on past experiences, contrasting mistakes against successes and, by means of deduction, I try to find an answer. So I took today to apply this technique and try to work out what has caused me to fall into the Friend Zone on so many occasions.

I started out by reflecting on the times when girls wanted me with a passion and made a list indicating my mental state and my behaviour during this time. Then I looked at the approximate time I felt girls pushing me into the Friend Zone (or just generally losing interest) and made a similar list. Here’s are the lists I made – the dissimilarities are obvious:

First successful dates

State of mind:

No expectations or fear of loss.
Belief that she wanted me more than I wanted her.
Mentally evaluating her potential.
Feeling cool, calm and composed.
Feeling no need to impress.
Feeling in control.


Behaviour:

Expressing wit and humour on my own terms.
Giving sporadic signs of interest, kino and occasional compliments.
Acting with sexual and emotional apathy.
Acting cool, calm and composed.
Initiating topics of conversation.
Mild teasing.



Slipping into the Friend Zone

State of mind:

Hoping for future dates and thinking ahead.
Fear of losing her interest.
Strong emotional and sexual desire.
Fear of embarrassing myself.
Worrying about my appearance.
Feeling less attractive.
Constantly trying to estimate her interest level.
Wondering what she wants from me.


Behaviour:

Trying hard to make her laugh (playing the fool).
Giving frequent compliments, kino and signs of interest.
Acting with urgency, rushing my speech, moving quickly: loss of composure.
Offering to buy things, help with anything.
Trying to show respect and doing things to seek approval.
Feigning interest and agreeing with everything she said.
Immitating her behaviour and trying to be like her.
Criticising or excusing myself.
Fishing for compliments.
Constant phonecalls and txts.



Summary:

Even if more could be added to these lists, there is distinct common denominator here. In short, the Friend Zone is where you end up when you start turning your positive attention to her and your negative against yourself.

But everybody is different so these lists won’t apply to everyone. If you want a more personal and precise guide, try applying this evaluation technique to your own experiences and you’ll become aware of what to avoid in future, and maybe even get some ideas on how to escape the Friend Zone.

Hope this helps.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

Jimbo2k

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Ccommon knowlege to me, but still well said and good for the new guys..
 

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Dirtheart

You are writing some very solid posts and just wanted to give you some well deserved praise.

Hope you post some more useful information in the future
 

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bump and tag....

Good to have as a general guide. I may not match you completely, but I do similar things to those when I slip into the friendzone.
 

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Damn, this is a good post. I knew most of it but thanks for the summary!
 

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Originally posted by The Dominated1
Dirtheart

You are writing some very solid posts and just wanted to give you some well deserved praise.

Hope you post some more useful information in the future
agreed...some of this is basic knowledge if u read the site...but this made it clearer and simpler for those who dont follow so well...and dirtheart...u are makin a lot of good posts and articles
 

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Thanks a lot for the comments guys. I agree that what I've written is exactly what has been pointed out many times before, but I found it really helped to see it from personal experience and to actually get a feel for how I was acting and thinking.

I could see that all signs of low interest coincided with my steps into AFC mode. In fact, I think I can elaborate some more on this off the top of my head:


Composed Mode

Comments:

"You're so sexy"
"I feel lucky we met"
"I've had a fantastic time"
"You're better looking than any of my previous boyfriends" [note the mention of the word boyfriends]
"I wish you didn't have to leave"
"Can we meet soon?"
"I wish I was with you"


Behaviour

Total captivation with me.
Humility.
Seeking my approval.
Frequent kino and overt interest.
Kissing that seems to last forever.
Public signs of affection.
Introducing me to everyone she knows.
Excusing her appearance or behaviour.
Talking about OUR future plans.
Instant replies to text messages/frequent calls.
Fishing for compliments and confirmation of my interest in her.


AFC Mode

Comments:

"You're a nice looking guy"
"Are you ok?"
"You have a lot going for you"
"You're a really sweet/lovely/nice guy"
"I'm glad we have become good friends"
"I don't want to hurt you"


Behaviour

Wandering attention.
Not caring what I think.
Doing her own thing and waiting for me to follow.
Friendly kino (ruffling my hair, kiss on cheek etc).
Short kisses.
Flirting with and complimenting other guys.
Generally moaning and complaining about her problems.
Talking about HER future plans.
Delayed responses to txt messages, avoidance of phonecalls.



Wow, writing that really hurt! But I suppose it's like touching a hot kettle. When you know for yourself how much it burns, you never touch it again! I think that's the importance of learning from experience over learning from others.
 

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Dirtheart, GREAT POST. *GOLF CLAP* Excellent post, bump.

I read your last part about the "AFC parts" of your first post and I thought counter-attacking AFC-dom:

To add, I find that if girls like you...they will "TRY TO BE YOUR FRIEND" and ask about your life. If girls put you in the "friends zone" "YOU WILL TRY TO BE HER FRIEND" - I've been there and done that, now when I see that I'm entering friends zone, I pull a reversi and starting having the below "state of mind"

*Reversal of AFC thinking*

State of mind:

*NOT* Hoping for future dates and thinking ahead.
*NO* Fear of losing her interest.
*NO* emotional and sexual desire.
*NO* Fear of embarrassing myself.
*NOT* Worrying about my appearance.
*NOT* Feeling less attractive.
*NOT* Constantly trying to estimate her interest level.
*NOT* Wondering what she wants from me.


Behaviour:

*SKIP ALL OF THIS TO BECOME ANTI-AFC, JUST IGNORE HER, LOOK FOR OTHER GIRLS*

Trying hard to make her laugh (playing the fool).
Giving frequent compliments, kino and signs of interest.
Acting with urgency, rushing my speech, moving quickly: loss of composure.
Offering to buy things, help with anything.
Trying to show respect and doing things to seek approval.
Feigning interest and agreeing with everything she said.
Immitating her behaviour and trying to be like her.
Criticising or excusing myself.
Fishing for compliments.
Constant phonecalls and txts.
 

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Sometimes ugly girls will say that you are nice or sweet to them, which means they are unconciously putting you in the friends zone. I recognized this once and never found attraction for the girl yet I decided to attack back by saying 'you're pretty' and she returned her attack by saying 'you're handsome. OOOOh even ugly girls are catty.
 

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To add, I find that if girls like you...they will "TRY TO BE YOUR FRIEND" and ask about your life. If girls put you in the "friends zone" "YOU WILL TRY TO BE HER FRIEND"
I completely agree! The whole interest appears completely reversed and I have often found myself trying harder and harder to get closer to her, while she's moving further back.

I also think it's important to realise that when a woman says "Let's be friends" what she means is "Get out of my life!" as it's very unlikely she'll make any effort to be friends with you.

So don't take it as a polite rejection or take any consolation from it. She has just insulted you! So take it as an insult and do what DJ Dork said: ignore her and look for other girls.
 

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Dirtheart, you beat me to the punch. I was going to make a similar posting.

Basically you listed the diffrence between having an active state of mind, where you are willing to create your own life, to a reactive state of mind, where you leave your life to the mercy of others. Not sure if you noticed the correlation, but the concepts are exactly the same.

Good post..
 
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