"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Desperate and a virgin. Has it finally reached the point?

MrJibbles

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OK, so here we go again, another "woe is me" thread. But bear with me.

Just for the record, I am a 21 year-old kissless virgin. This is not because of being too much of a "nice guy" to girls, but rather not being able to socialize with them in the first place. For the past 3 or 4 years, I had entertained the notion that I would get laid eventually, and that being a desperate virgin would pass with time. But I have now reached the point where I realized that I am poorly-socialized, slightly maladjusted, and mentally ill. I cannot focus and therefore lack the mindset, attitude, and resources to get laid and finally kill this desperation. It has reached the tipping point, so to speak. I am taking meds, but they will only be a bandaid in my road to recovery.

Being unable to fit into society plays a big role in this. I have reached the age where people are beginning to form relationships with each other, and this is always a big topic of conversation within social circles at school, work, etc. If you have nothing to mention about these topics EVER, people will begin to think you are weird, creepy, asexual, or gay. Even if they don't think this, you will still be cut off from the social circle at least to some extent if your sexual preferences are never implied or relationship statuses mentioned, like in my case.

When I think about it, my parents never loved each other, were frigid and emotionally-distant from each other, so warmth and affection was never expressed growing up. I never knew how to act around women growing up because, after observing the way my dad acted around my mom, I thought being uninvolved, spending no time socializing, and cut off from any relationship issues was the proper way to act around women.

Once I left home and the few friends I had at high school, I was at a loss for how to develop relationships with girls, let alone people in general. I never knew how to express affection towards people because I had never really experienced it growing up.

For the past 3 years, I have dropped out of college twice, moved three times across the country, and never have been able to develop an intimate relationship, let alone normal friendship, with a girl.

Intimacy and affection are basic psychological needs. I have been deprived of these my whole life. How can I go about receiving these needs, if I don't even know how to give them myself? How can I get rid of the desperation that drives girls away, when it has plagued me for so long and stems from being deprived my whole life?

I had a chance to to hook up with my cousin's friend about a month or two ago at a party. It reached the point where she pushed me on the couch, took my phone from me, got on top of me, and gave me the "f*ck-me eyes". The opportunity fell in my lap, but I freaked out and ended up getting up and leaving as soon as it happened... I had no idea how to express my feelings in the situation, so I had to get out of there as fast as possible.

Is it possible I'm experiencing fear of intimacy or something of that nature? I know this makes me sound like a f***in ***** and I am very disappointed in myself. I need to get laid, but can't get myself to pursue women. Should I just bang a bunch of escorts and get it over with at this point?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Alex DeLarge

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There's no such thing as "I can't.

Get ride of this mindset. You're setting yourself up for failure. Think about a time in your life you had accomplished something great that you had worked for. Did you begin by saying "I can't do that"? NO!

You just went out and did it. If you fell, you got up and tried again. The same principle can be thrown in with dating. You have a few bad dates or bad relationships, and you learn what works and what doesn't.

You're 21 years old, go out with your friends, drink a few beers, have a good time, and approach some girls at the bar. I'm sure a lot of them would be thrilled to talk to someone new.

I'll tell you what, over thinking about why your non-sexual situation is horrible is just going to ruin it for you. (I have experience there.. Did for 3 years.)

Now you learned from that mistake and came to this board which is going to help you out. Now you've all ready taken step 1.. Are you willing to fall down a bunch of times before you reach step 2? You damn well should be, it might be painful, it might be rough, but as you know from achieving other things in life.. That the great things life has to offer require effort.

You need to rid this defeatist attitude and adopt to the ways of the don juan to have pleasure in your dating life. Read "The Book of Pook". It helped us all greatly.
 

jafyk

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Ok, here's my take. If paying to fvck a girl will help ease the urgency of things for you then go ahead and do it and get it over with but your goal should be long term. As the poster before me has suggested "The Book of Pook" is a great place to start. You can find it in the DJ Bible which is at the bottom left corner of your screen when you scroll all the way down. That said.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" - JFK
So, what has the above quote got to do with your situation? Well, often times people are always thinking "Me, me, me" and not thinking of what they can do for others. Not realizing that a lot of times by doing for others we are also saving our souls. The things you wish to experience from other people how have you shown those things to others? Even if you didn't have the best foundation growing up you can still learn these things through reading, going out and observing how the people around are acting. By observing you will see what is good and what is bad and you can choose what is right. When you start being a pleasure to people. People will become drawn to who you are because in the process you will have become an improved person.
So, even the issue of girls you are dealing with will also become resolved.

Sure, along the way you will fail but you must forgive yourself and get up and try again. Bottom line 1) educate yourself (through books, social interaction, observation) (2)practice what you've learned in #1 (3) Keep refining what you've learned while keeping others in mind as well.
 

JonJaper

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Jibbles do the f*cking bootcamp work that you signed up for. We're on Week 3 already.

Stop whining and take action. There is so much reading material on this website alone. (Pook's Kill that Desperation is a good example for your situation).

And as someone who was a 21 year-old virgin up until October, I know how you feel. I used to care about what other people were doing (e.g. "All my friends are hooking up and in relationships, why am I not hooking up? What's wrong with me??" etc). The hooker experience served me well because of my mindset. I can imagine some people having the same experience as me, yet taking a completely negative outlook and letting it worsen them as opposed to improving them...so I wouldn't recommend a hooker experience unless you have a positive attitude and a strong "don't give a f*ck" attitude.

PM me if you want to know more about my experience, and if you want to know how I got out of my bad spell (similar to yours).
 
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