"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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deflowering and anxiety

thirtyzDude

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So I have been dating this girl for about ten months now. You can search for my other post on here, about her being a virgin, etc...but now the situation has changed...we are right on the cusp of having sex, but for some reason I am filled with anxiety. Up until now the relationship has been one of self-control, ignoring my needy inner-AFC, and not giving over my power like I did at the beginning of the relationship. I have always been a people-pleaser in the past, especially with girls and trying to get laid, but no longer. I think some of my anxiety stems from getting everything I want, the power I do have over this girl - but at the same time being worried about losing it all when we do have sex. What other demands will she have on me? Already I don't like spending time at her place (one bedroom apartment compared to my 3 bedroom condo), how much more will I have to say no? Will that create additional conflict that will ultimately drive us apart and will she hate me for it? Would any of you guys even care if you had sex with someone with the plan of commitment but ended up breaking it off later? Until now I had figured that she would never give it up, and that we would eventually break up over it, but now that she is willing, I am unsure of how to proceed. Yes, I realize the obvious answer is "have sex, dumbass!" How do I figure out what's holding me back here?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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vitor

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Its your nice guy coming through. You do not want to take her virginity and have her remember you as her first when you already know your going to break up with her in the future.

The Bad guy in you says I put 10 months into this I better get laid.

What to do what to do.. I think you should end it, find a slut and move on. If you do take her virginity and she gets all possevise, clingy etc.. she might go crazy on you when you do dump her which is already about to happen ..
 

thirtyzDude

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why do I have to dump her?

Am I just going to dump her because I believe I will have to start being more of a nice guy with her? Or is it because I put her and her p**sy on such a pedestal for so long and now that's gone? Or is it for some other reason that I'm not fully aware of? This is the weirdest thing that has ever happened to me...
 

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Youre basically over analyzing this to death.
And your living in the future, a future that hasnt even happened.

Youre not living in the present tense, and youre worrying about the outcome.

Your boundaries and preference, and wants vs needs are being stretched here.

My feeling is that if you like this woman, just work on enjoying being with her.
Part of that is having sex, and physical and emotional intimacy.
If shes not working you over placing 'demands' on you, and what not, she may very well be much more easy going and flexible than you are imagining. She may be much more pleasant company than what you may be thinking.

You are placing blocks to intimacy here, and thinking of all the 'buts' against being with her, and thinking of all her 'cons' and 'negatives'.
So this is a problem. What about her positives??

This is why our partners become essentially a mirror to who we are.
And theres not getting around this , theres only going through it.......or NOT.

Understand this though, the majority of us guys who have gone through what youre going through, or something similar, have consciousy decided to go AHEAD...or to STOP.

Many of those who have chosen to stop have retarded those coping skills and mechanisms of a healthy adult man/woman relationship, and have stayed behind. Often rationalizing thier lack of success or results, fulfillment and happiness, etc..
Why?
Because they chose not to go through that door which is uncomfortable, but it is the door towards growth and evolution.
You have to think about these behaviors and conscious choosing that you do. We ALL do.
And we have to think in terms of what if we keep choosing this avoidance mechanism, every time? What would our life look like in 20 years?
What kind of impact would that be on us, and our life, and lifestyles???
I know all these things are rushing toward you all at the same time, and the tendency is to run away from this, because it can be so overwhelming.

But you have to consider the long term consequences.
And you have to think about what will really make you happy, versus maybe, just maybe what you think will keep you 'safe' in a way.

I say let go of that stuff and dont live in the future.

Cross that bridge when you get to it.
But always stay conscsiously aware of what your boundaries are. What are your preferences ultimately at the end of the day, and what really are your Needs, versus just what you want right now, this minute.


I will always advise not to go through the avoidance mechanisms when possible. And to think in terms of how much we want something, versus maybe how much pain we want to avoid.

You will need some time to read up on some stuff to inform yourself and get proper perspective. Im sure you havent read the Book of Pook, or the DJ Bible. If so, start there.
The go to David Deida's Way of the Superior Man.
Look up Dr. Paul Dobransky's Mature Masculine Power, and Mind OS.
And David Deangelos Deep Inner Game.
Also, RSDs the Blueprint Decoded has some stuff that will address some of these things we experience. Pretty eye opening perspectives IMO.

I hope this gets you pointed in a better direction.
Good luck.

EDIT: You will have to post your age to post in the MM Forum. So if you dont want this thread moved, you may want to show your age.
 

mikeraw

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Age or GTFO.

By the way, 10 months and no sex? She's in control. This will not end well.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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WaterTiger

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This woman is over 25 and still a virgin? Something is wrong...

A-You live in an Islamic country and it's illegal to have sex outside of marriage.
B-She's an uber-Christian and fears the fires of hell & the wrath of her church.
C-Either she, or a close family member is a rape/molestation survivor.
D-She has a warped Disney Princess fantasy about "the perfect first time" and is holding out for Prince Charming.


If none of these things are true, then she's lying about being a virgin. Either way, I think she's driving you nuts and who the hell needs that????

Unless you like that sort of thing....
 

thirtyzDude

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close - she's Indian and has been raised from puberty to wait until marriage. I'm actually sorta shocked that she's changed her mind like this....but then again, I did tell her that I wasn't going to be in a relationship without sex.
 

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I believe you're doing her a favor - even if you're 100% sure you're dumping her later. As mentioned above, it's definitely not cool for women to be virgins at this age so it's mostly not a loss, but a gain to get rid of this status. Men who are specifically after virgins are mostly the religious/jealous/pedophile type (one of these or all combined). So do the decent thing FOR HER by f*cking her - even if all goes to hell later at least you've protected her from these weirdos.

On a side note - "deflowering"? "she's afraid of losing it"? Who talks like that?
 
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