"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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shagnscoob

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i just read David DeAngelo's article called "Why Women Reject Men... And What To Do About it" link

anyhow, it says that to get over the fear of approaching, a good start is to have a default convo opener for various situations that your in, whether its in a restaurant, a bar of course, a record store or whatever


what are some openers you guys use for different scenarios?

(im talkin about, besides the obvious 'hi whats your name?')
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I don't try to memorize any lines. I just think about something to say to her when the time comes or just simply say hi and so forth.
 

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Originally posted by Caldus
I don't try to memorize any lines. I just think about something to say to her when the time comes or just simply say hi and so forth.
Did you have to come and waste thread space? the man is asking for some convos.
 

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Originally posted by Caldus
I don't try to memorize any lines. I just think about something to say to her when the time comes or just simply say hi and so forth.
well, that defeats the point of what David D said. the point he was trying to make, was that some people have a huge fear of approaching, and one idea he brought up to get over that fear is to have a convo starter, memorized, that you can always use

its not like a cheesey pickup line or a generic 'hello what is your name.' its something that will work in every situation you find yourself approaching in. you might not need to do it, thats great, good luck in life to you, but others of us might still want to have set lines to use ;)
 

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My default opener is "hey, what's up". Seriously.

If you want to find something more sophisticated, check the fast seduction web site. There are a bunch posted there. I could list some of them but I haven't field tested them and I don't want to suggest something I haven't personally used.
 

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Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Well, I definitely think that that is one of the great techniques to use. At first, when starting out with cold approaches, your more worried about getting over the fear of approaching itself than about what you say. So having a default opener is a smart idea for sure. Personally, I would suggest taking it step by step. The first 10 approaches, come up with an opener that will allow you to stop them and then whatever, but it shouldn't lead to an actual conversation(unless it does), and should just be there to get over the fear itself.

For example: I suggest a couple things. Maybe a humorous comment or question, if this doesn't get her laughing, atleast you'll be laughing... on the inside. What I personally did for my first 10 approaches was pretty simple...

If a girl was walking, I'd "stop" her and ask her "Can I ask you a quick question?" Sometime she'd say no, but most times they'll say yes pretty reluctantly... Then simply ask "What's your name?" or what I did just for laughs was ask "Who are you?" in a very questionable tone. I got a lot of rolling eyes but hey, after the 10th time I felt like I could say anything and was ready to move on. Basically, you can insert whatever you want here but just use it to get over the initial fear. Could I have picked a better opener, sure, but I was just saying something and if the response was negative(which was usually the case), I simply told them that it was a pleasure meeting them with a big smile and walked away. Emotionally, it makes you feel like your in control.

After this you should work on an approach that will actually lead to some kind of convo. A little trick that I use is to stop a girl and ask her "Hey, for some reason you look kinda familiar... Do I know you from somewhere?" They usually say no which is when you ask "Well what school did/do you go to?" If they say a school you went or go to, then continue from there but if they say another school... use this to your advantage. Don't simply say "Oh ok, nevermind"... Ask them how they like it, hell start talking about why you think your school's better and so on a funny way. You can substitute work, city, or whatever in place of school but the point is, you are getting her talking about something, even if it is kind of a sneaky way of doing it.

Alright, well this is the part where your going to have to be creative. Once you feel comfortable saying anything to random women in cold approaches, you need to move on to the situational opener. This is where you gotta improv and say something to to the lady in correspondence with the surrounding. Ask her or comment on something she's wearing, something that's going on around you, something you see, what the time is, the location of something. And then follow that up with something else and get the convo rolling. Here's an example...

Say your on campus and your looking for a building on the first day of class, or hell, even the middle of quarter... or maybe you're not actually looking for a building at all. Well you see a woman walking towards you so you ask her if she knows where the building is... "Excuse me, do you know where building 15 is?" Her: "Umm... Yeah, it's [wherever it is]" At this point you can say any number of things...

"Yeah I felt kind of embarassed asking you, but you looked like you knew your way around this place"... Or even take out the first part of that

"Yeah this is my first day here/I haven't been going here very long/I don't usually have classes in that area/I have to drop something off for one of my classes (basically whatever)... And then ask her a question in relation to what you just said... "So how long have you been going here?... Do you have a class in that building?" and so on.

Well that's just one example but you get the point.

After this work on building rapport and getting numbers and stuff, most of this stuff is covered in the DJ Bible anyways.

And then at this point you should be getting the gist of what to do. Here are some tips for cold approaches...

1.HAVE FUN! You think getting rejected sucks?... Make getting rejected a thrill that you ENJOY.

2.Most people think of two outcomes in a cold approach, succeeding or not succeeding... Well, in my opinion, if you think like this you will ALWAYS FAIL! Sure, you might not always get a number, but in my opinion, a rejection is a success just like anything else. Therefore, if you cold approach, it is a WIN WIN situation. If you get rejected, you walk away feeling kind of embarrased at first, but crush that feeling RIGHT AWAY. Then you will feel proud of what you've done, and the next day, believe, NO ONE will be laughing at you. And on the other side, if you do get a number... HELL YEAH!

Well, I'm done writing this novel, congratulations if you read it all.
 

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The great David D himself is telling us to have some default convo openers!!!!

ie. create some for different situations, memorize them, practice them, and apply!!!!!!

Obviously there is merit in this procedure. The majority of readers in this forum, and all AFC's out there will benefit from this knowledge..

What value then is saying "I don't memorize them, I just let it happen." and the coolest $hit just comes out?
 

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Originally posted by MacDiddy
The great David D himself is telling us to have some default convo openers!!!!

ie. create some for different situations, memorize them, practice them, and apply!!!!!!

Obviously there is merit in this procedure. The majority of readers in this forum, and all AFC's out there will benefit from this knowledge..

What value then is saying "I don't memorize them, I just let it happen." and the coolest $hit just comes out?
well, do you have any? :D
 

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Here is one from my bag of tricks. Used with good effects when female is receptive to first question .. (I am not the author!!)

"Hi there. Can I ask you for a woman's opinion? My friend has been going out with a girl for about three months and they get along really well, they love each other heaps, but her cat hates him. Like whenever he tries to pet it, it will just look at him like he's an idiot and walk off and one time he left his shoes by the door and it pissed on them. What do you think he should do? We've thought of four things :

1. Just be nice to it even though it's going to hate him.
2. Ignore it.
3. Say to his girlfriend : It's me or the cat.
4. When she's not looking 'accidentally' (two fingers motion) run it over with his car
 
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