"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Decent date that fizzled out

El_matador

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This stuff happens all the time. it's happening to me right now. I've told myself just to be bold and always qualifier HER on the first date and second dates, she has to know that you couldn't be any more Comfortable and Relaxed. she has to do work if she wants to go out with you again.

It's always the one that you like the most, because you get too conscious and you want her, it's you're looking for looks-wise and she is Sweet (initially) all girls are sweet early. As soon as they no longer lubricate down there because of you, no longer sweet.

NOW, when pulling chicks from online sites, it almost like the biatsh doesn't put in any effort or gives it a chance, because there's a 100 other dudes emailing her to buy her dinner, to takers to clubs and all...

online dating, just be aware that any excuse from her for not meeting could potentially mean she just got an email from some guy who looks closer to "the Man of her dreams" every girl got one.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Mikey C

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So, got a message from her today, nearly three weeks after she flaked.

"i hope you're not angry with me, call me whenever you want."

So, what next? To be honest I wasn't thinking about her since she flaked. I took the advice here and moved on.

P.S, note to mods. This was in the mature forum first but I had my age on private. Fixed now.
 

VladPatton

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There is something to be said about dragging out a first date/meeting for too long. Never again. I got caught up in that as well. All you wanna do is look for more IOIs, stare at her because she is oh so cute, look for body language to confirm her interest in you, opportunities to touch her, etc. All the while she is really yawning with her mouth closed and knows she doesn't wanna go out with you again. Keeping it short and fun is golden advice.

To answer your recent post, just say hello, and tell her, that you aren't mad at all, you've been super busy. If she asks with what, now is your chance to have some fun, aloof-style, by responding with "oh , just stuff, this and that, buncha things", etc

Good luck.
 

Mikey C

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Dannyfrom504 said:
Drop her. Don't call and forget all about her. She's an attention *****.

It's that simple.
Think you're right Danny.

When she flaked I was totally motivated by this site and forgot about her. Was surprised when she got back in contact and wanted to ask about it.

Mike.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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