De La Hoya VS Mayweather

[Reyaj]

Both look in great shape!

 

[~attrACTION~]

My prediction is your mom. Actually, I think it will be Mayweather. It's going to be close, but not really.

 

[CLOONEY]

Both look in great shape!

Yeah, they do. DLH definately looks bigger, and will probably be 160+ by fightime, whereas Mayweather will be 150.

10lb advantage right there. Mayweather better put on that slick defence and great vision, or he is in for one rough night at the office!

If Mayweather wins this, he has definately cemented a great legacy. Though fights with Mosley, Cotto (if he beats Judah) and eventually the winner of Margarito V Williams if they keep winning, are still HUGE fights for the Pretty Boy.

 

[WesCottII]

I'm going with DLH on this. I just don't think Maywether has the power and strength to compete. DLH is far too accurate.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Your power is only great and makes you only as good for what you can hit. If you can't land it won't matter.

The faster fighter DelaHoya fought was Shane Mosley, who beat him not because of hand speed only, but it was his foot speed, his ability to connect and get out of the way or Oscar's range and counters. His foot speed was able to neutralize Oscar's handspeed and punching power. Speed, NOT JUST HAND SPEED, consists of FOOT speed and movement, rythm, and agility. Floyd has the advantage in that area, just like Mosley did.

And you have to remember one things: This all happened during Oscar's prime.

Mosely had the same disadvantages Floyd will have tonight, and fought an undefeated DelaHoya who was totally neutralized just because the hand and foot speed.

The 10 pound "advantage", which is not an advantage, won't play a factor. The "natural bigger guy" weight advantage is the advantage, not the weigh-in the day before. Mayweather needs to use his speed, and his advantage has just been increase by DelaHoya being heavier. He could be 30 pounds heavier come fight night, and it wouldn't help him against a faster fighter, because SPEED IS THE FACTOR tonight.

James Toney had the "weight advantage" over Roy Jones Jr. on the night of the fight. As it turned out, it didn't matter, because that fight was gonna be won by foot, and hand speed alone. Toney was considered a very skilled, relatively fast fighter at the time.

Mayweather is the superior boxer, technical fighter with the superior speed. While Bernard Hopinks kO'd DLH, it was his boxing and technical skills that defeated DLH way before the KO. He was outboxing him and neutralizing him before the bodyshot.

Mayweather SHOULD, DelaHoya COULD.

DelaHoya is not in his prime anymore. Speed, reflexes makes boxing a young man's sport. Yet that won't matter much either, because of the styles for this fight. His job is to put pressure and out punch the smaller guy.

Expect a decisive 12 rounder here going for Floyd, with the potential, hopefully but doubtful, of some good moments somewhere between. DelaHoya will definitely will play the "agressor" which mean he will get the benefit of the doubt from commentators and viewers, yet won't be landing enough clean shots to do damage.

My prediction has nothing to do with biases or how I feel either has conducted his life outside the ring. Or who's better looking. I haven't even seen the 24/7 "Documentary", errr, infomercial. Neither of them is one of my top 5 favorites at this time. So no emotional bias here.

 

[CLOONEY]

Man, what the hell was that fight about?

Mayweather cruised using the BHOP approach for the first half. Hardly threw a punch, and then came on at the end.

I had Mayweather by 1, but I will have to watch it again and analyse it very closely to get an accurate score.

DLH landed more, especially to the body, Mayweather landed the cleaner bows. That said, noone really landed much all night.

Mayweather hardly threw for most of the fight, as he was feeling Oscars power. He had an unusually low workrate. He was also loading up more than usual, and what was the deal with his loopy right hand? DLH was doing very well when he used the jab, neutralised Floyds jump in lead left hook.

Still not sure who won the fight, was very close. Needs another 12 rounds to determine the outcome for me at this stage. Though once I watch the tape again and analyse every punch, I am sure I will come up with a winner.

 

[Reyaj]

I was very proud of Oscar. I personally thought it was a hell of a fight. Mayweather is a ***** not to engage as much though. He will never tbe the attraction Oscar was because of this.

That being said I actually agreed with Harold Letterman's score card having Floyd way ahead. Something like 8 rounds to four. Mayweather clearly landed the cleaner blows even when he was going backwards.

Oscar did surprise me though. I thought he was going to get tattooed all night by Floyd. When he pressed the action and had Floyd on the ropes he was a monster. I thought Oscar's hand speed looked tremendous also.

Having all that money in the bank and coming to fight the way he did says a lot about Oscar's character and his love for the game.

maybe if Floyd wasn't such a wuss and would exchange more like towards the end he'd get more respect from the fans.

 

[lookyoung]

I thought it was a close fight. I had the fight 7 rounds to 5 mayweather. Mayweather dominated the later rounds just like I said. He is really pushing the max at this weight, and if he were to fight jermain taylor or bernard hopkins at 160 he would get demolished.

Mayweather is great, but not as great as I thought. He has great defense but does not throw enough punches. His style is kind of on the boring side. I would not compare him to hagler or leonard.

 

[lookyoung]

I was very proud of Oscar. I personally thought it was a hell of a fight. Mayweather is a ***** not to engage as much though. He will never tbe the attraction Oscar was because of this.

Your wrong. Mayweather will never be the attraction of DLH because he is black. Not because he is a boring fighter. If mayweather was white or mexican he would have made triple the money he has made in his career. It is harder for black fighters to make money in boxing than it is for hispanics and whites.

 

[CLOONEY]

I thought it was a close fight. I had the fight 7 rounds to 5 mayweather. Mayweather dominated the later rounds just like I said. He is really pushing the max at this weight, and if he were to fight jermain taylor or bernard hopkins at 160 he would get demolished.

Mayweather is great, but not as great as I thought. He has great defense but does not throw enough punches. His style is kind of on the boring side. I would not compare him to hagler or leonard.

Not sure why everyone thought Mayweather would tatoo Oscar all night. Oscar is a GREAT boxer, he has held his own with Quartey, Tito, Mosley, Vargas, man you name them, and Oscar has held his own with all of them.

BHOP is now at 175, cant see him fighting at 160 again.

Mayweather throws plenty of punches, just not in this fight because DLH had him on his bike for the first half of it.

DLH is a big drawcard because the chicks LOVE him. He is usually in entertaining fights also, though I can appreciate the defensive wizardry of Mayweather. He gives slick a new meaning!

Oscar fought how he did in Mosley 1, and the outcome was just as I expected. Identical to Mosley 1. Oscar took the early rounds, and then was beaten down the stretch. I think he was a bit too reckless, and should have boxed a bit more and timed his attacks, though he did do well, it was a very close fight.

 

[6-heads lewis]

Ill have to wait till the replay next week to cast judgement, but I followed round-by-round on a boxing website and ESPN. Of course there were a lot biased scores like 10-2, but the concensus from ESPN and the more respected and neutral posters was Mayweather 8-4 based on accuracy. I predicted a more lopsided decision, it sounds like Mayweather's workrate was too low. Ill have to see it myself.

How was the HBO team?

 

[Reyaj]

You think there will or should be a rematch?

 

[Reyaj]

Your wrong. Mayweather will never be the attraction of DLH because he is black. Not because he is a boring fighter. If mayweather was white or mexican he would have made triple the money he has made in his career. It is harder for black fighters to make money in boxing than it is for hispanics and whites.

Ali,Tyson,Leonard were all major attractions. Don't agree with you there.

 

[mahon83050]

Mayweather is a punk who was very disrespectful to Oscar from the get go. I didn't appreciate the fact how he came out in a sombrero and his entourage was wearing " Mexico loves Mayweather shirts".

Mayweather is a good fighter, but he is still a street thug.

 

[mexican_player2]

Your wrong. Mayweather will never be the attraction of DLH because he is black. Not because he is a boring fighter. If mayweather was white or mexican he would have made triple the money he has made in his career. It is harder for black fighters to make money in boxing than it is for hispanics and whites.

not true . all those mexican fighters grew up in a very poor places. remember mexico is third world country chit

they dont have the chanse, and when they do, they get paid very low. remember marquez when he fought in indonesia or some like that, i saw on tv he got paid 30,000 pesos or usd i dont remember.

 

[ValleyDJing]

Mayweather is a punk who was very disrespectful to Oscar from the get go. I didn't appreciate the fact how he came out in a sombrero and his entourage was wearing " Mexico loves Mayweather shirts".

What are you talking about? That was hilarious! I rooted for him just because of that. That was the most entertaining part of the fight.

 

[lookyoung]

Ali,Tyson,Leonard were all major attractions. Don't agree with you there.

Never compare heavyweights to lower weight divisions for drawing power.

Ali was a heavyweight in the 1960's ( a grea era for boxing). Back then boxing and baseball were the most famous sports - today boxing is practically
dead. todays world we have football,boxing,baseball,soccer, MMA-all these different sports boxing has to compete with. Boxing will never BE AS POPULAR AS IT WAS IN THE 60'S,70'S,80'S, or even the 90's.

MMA WILL TAKE OVER BOXING AS THE COMBAT SPORT WITHIN 10 YEARS.




TYSON- another heavyweight was entertaining to the eye. HE also fought in the 80;s and at that time the world was looking for the baddest man on the planet type of heavyweight and they got it with mike tyson. He was the sonny liston of the modern era.

LEONARD- fought in a golden era for welterweights. He was famous because of the gold medal and his charm. He was also famous because of HEARNS, DURAN, HAGLER. Leonard was a rare athlete who had the charisma despite his race.


Mexican and whites have more drawing power than blacks do in boxing which= more money.

Examples.
1. Arturo gatti
2. Mickey ward
3. Andrew golota
4. Joe mesi
5. Tommy morrison.

Now if these guys were black do you think they would have made a million dollars. These guys are not all time greats. There skin made them the money. If your white and a heavy weight and can crack the top ten you will make tons of money.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

lookyoung,

I don't disagree with you much on your assesment on why certain fighters make a lot more money. That is just one part of the equation, though.

Those fighters you listed, even though they were black, not only fought in the golden era of boxing, but also fought in the golden era of network television. Boxing was on tv every weekend on any of the three major networks. These fighters, along with the oponents who helped elevate their status, fought on free tv for a good part of their carreer.

Nowadays, networks don't showcase boxing like they did back before the early 90's. Now, to certain extent, it is up to cable networks like HBO, who have a lot of say, as to who will become a star. A few years ago, HBO was too busy promoting and hyping the Klitschko (sp) brothers, ordinary heavyweights, and limited and overrated fighters like Arturo Gatti, while great contenders and top fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez couldn't get exposure they so rightly deserved.

Clooney, as a knowledgeable and "unbiased" fan that you are, I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge the fact that the fight went pretty much how I predicted it would on my last post before the fight. Specially the way they were both gonna fight and the reaction of the viewers to the outcome and way the fight was fought by the fighters.

And since you made the comment regarding Barrera and Morales,I must say it must be tough to know that your favorite fighter is only fighting for the money at this point, and doesn't know when to quit, just like 99.9% of fighters out there, and won't be able to beat an elite fighter at this point of his carreer. Handicaping his last two legit opponents, and Mayorga isn't one of them, Hopkins having to drop down to an unnatural weight, and Mayweather to move up in weight, along with his popularity among the chicks and the mainstream wasn't enough to give him the nod. The fight might have been closer than some expected, but wasn't close enough to merit getting the decision. Even I couldn't bring myself to saying Barrera, my favorite fighter in the last 12 years, deserved the nod against Marquez.

 

[CLOONEY]

I disagree, this was no way decisive, but I have not watched the tape yet. Mayweather landed a LOT on the gloves, and just crusied for the majority of rounds. He threw the right very sparingly, and when he did, he was looping it? WTF was that?

That said, DLH is not my favourite fighter. I prefer watching Mayweather currently, without a shadow of a doubt. I also want a fighter of my era to compare to the all-time greats such as Leonard, Ali, Robinson etc. So Mayweather succeeding is something I also wanted to see (though I dont like his mouth). I just wanted this to be more decisive, to proove to me that Mayweather was undoubtably the better man in the ring. But as far as my live scoring, he did not look that to me. Maybe he edged it, but not clear in my mind. He is a great fighter, but he stil has to do more to be up at the very top like he claims to be. Hopefully he fights on, Cotto (should he beat Judah), Mosley are still there. And who knows, the winner of Margarito V Williams may be a very solid challenger.

BTW, I was not meaning a joke out of Barerra and Morales loosing, I was simply stating how it is crushing when your favourite fighters time is up. That is the way I felt when Roy and Mosley both lost to Forrest and Tarver respectively. Its literally crushing.

 

[CLOONEY]

The 10 pound "advantage", which is not an advantage, won't play a factor. The "natural bigger guy" weight advantage is the advantage, not the weigh-in the day before. Mayweather needs to use his speed, and his advantage has just been increase by DelaHoya being heavier. He could be 30 pounds heavier come fight night, and it wouldn't help him against a faster fighter, because SPEED IS THE FACTOR tonight.

James Toney had the "weight advantage" over Roy Jones Jr. on the night of the fight. As it turned out, it didn't matter, because that fight was gonna be won by foot, and hand speed alone. Toney was considered a very skilled, relatively fast fighter at the time.

So the weight advantage of Joey Maxim didnt hinder Ray Robinson? Man, I could name a heap of examples where the "weight advantage" WAS an advantage. This is why there are weight divisions, but Im sure you already know that.

Mosley also beat DLH, because DLH plodded in there, walking straight onto the Mosley right hand, time after time towards the end of the fight, just as he did with Mayweather. I personally thought DLH would have learnt from that, and used a bit more of his boxing brain, but it was not too be.

And BHOP, come on man, he was WAY bigger than DLH. Its ludicrous when people give BHOP so much credit for that win. His win over Tarver, now thats a solid win!

And more people think Mayweather won, but but there are plenty who did not (after revision that comment, on boxingtalk.com forums, it looks pretty even now, infact I am surprised to see many of the guys who are very much into the fight game, having DLH winning or a draw).

Those shots DLH was landing when Mayweather was on the ropes to the body, are still scored.

Ill watch the fight very closely tonight and see what I come up with.