DC Cop Brings Gun to a Snowball Fight

[Wiesman44]

All parties were at fault, making blanket statements doesn't help anything.

Citizens throwing snowballs and ice chunks at cars are endangering innocent people. Fines should be given and community service required.

Police gripping weapon and pulling his gun out OFF DUTY when no ones lives were in immediate danger, that is wrong as well. Fine should be given, and 30 days on the job without a firearm.

Police need better training when dealing with mobs/groups. Reason, common sense and good judgement don't prevail in large groups of people, so approaching them in the way he did doesn't help anyone.

Actually, in terms of the law, the police officer did nothign wrong in regards to his firearm. He felt he was threatened (as ridiculous as it was), he was assaulted (again ridiculous), and so he pulled his weapon. Legally, the officer was in the right.

Now this was just a messed up situation in general. Becuase the officer technically wasn't in the wrong, you dont see the media demanding punishment of the officer.

 

[Dust 2 Dust]

Under the stand your ground doctrine the officer had every right to pull his gun and open fire.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Actually, in terms of the law, the police officer did nothign wrong in regards to his firearm. He felt he was threatened (as ridiculous as it was), he was assaulted (again ridiculous), and so he pulled his weapon. Legally, the officer was in the right.

You're right. He should have pulled the trigger and picked off a couple of those assailants too. Fvcking snowballs are dangerous weapons.

 

[bigjohnson]

You're right. He should have pulled the trigger and picked off a couple of those assailants too. Fvcking snowballs are dangerous weapons.

No, I really don't think that would have been a justifiable homicide. It's iffy but most reasonable people wouldn't feel their life threatened at THAT moment. I think.

 

[Wiesman44]

You're right. He should have pulled the trigger and picked off a couple of those assailants too. Fvcking snowballs are dangerous weapons.

there's no need to overreact dude. I'm just stating facts

 

[Alle_Gory]

No, I really don't think that would have been a justifiable homicide. It's iffy but most reasonable people wouldn't feel their life threatened at THAT moment. I think.

I was being sarcastic to prove a point.

Why pull out a weapon if the cop didn't intend to use it? That IS the purpose of a gun isn't it? To shoot and kill people for whatever reason. If he really felt threatened he could have called for backup instead of brandishing a weapon because his d!ck is too small and he felt "threatened".

 

[bigjohnson]

I was being sarcastic to prove a point.

Why pull out a weapon if the cop didn't intend to use it? That IS the purpose of a gun isn't it? To shoot and kill people for whatever reason. If he really felt threatened he could have called for backup instead of brandishing a weapon because his d!ck is too small and he felt "threatened".

I don't think penile dimensions have anything to do with it, more than likely he pulled the weapon because he saw a potentially dangerous condition and felt duty bound to use whatever suitable means he had at his disposal to make the condition stop as soon as possible. It would likely have been easier to go home and have a beer, but he's supposed to protect the law abiding public.

 

[Alle_Gory]

he's supposed to protect the law abiding public.

By pulling out a gun and possibly starting a real situation. He WAS in plain clothes.

If anything he was the one with the dangerous condition and I agree with his boss, the police chief that his actions were inappropriate.

You're forgetting that the people were playing around with snowballs. SNOW-balls. Made of snow.

 

[bigjohnson]

By pulling out a gun and possibly starting a real situation. He WAS in plain clothes.

Plain clothes, I don't see the point you're making there? Maybe that he could have shirked duty undetected? As for a 'real situation', *I* consider a pack of morons causing a traffic hazard to be a very real situation. YMMV.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Plain clothes, I don't see the point you're making there? Maybe that he could have shirked duty undetected? As for a 'real situation', *I* consider a pack of morons causing a traffic hazard to be a very real situation. YMMV.

I consider some random dude brandishing a loaded weapon claiming to be a police officer a bigger disturbance than some snowballs on a snowy day.

 

[bigjohnson]

I consider some random dude brandishing a loaded weapon claiming to be a police officer a bigger disturbance than some snowballs on a snowy day.

So in your opinion a plainclothes policeman unholstering his service pistol is more dangerous than random rioters throwing a barrage of objects into commuter traffic. Is that the gist of what you're saying?

Because I'd rather drive past a detective on the sidewalk who's just unholstered his sidearm than drive in traffic when there are idiots on the sidewalk throwing things at me and my fellow motorists.

But them I realize that firearms are incredibly reliable for being complex machines, so I don't have any irrational fear of them. Motorists who are surprised by large object striking their windshields and potentially suddenly obstructing their vision are not as reliable or predictable.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I'll bet that cop was much more accurate with his weapon that those dudes were with their snowballs.

More Accuracy = Less Danger

 

[Wiesman44]

So in your opinion a plainclothes policeman unholstering his service pistol is more dangerous than random rioters throwing a barrage of objects into commuter traffic. Is that the gist of what you're saying?

Because I'd rather drive past a detective on the sidewalk who's just unholstered his sidearm than drive in traffic when there are idiots on the sidewalk throwing things at me and my fellow motorists.

But them I realize that firearms are incredibly reliable for being complex machines, so I don't have any irrational fear of them. Motorists who are surprised by large object striking their windshields and potentially suddenly obstructing their vision are not as reliable or predictable.

completely agree. You hit the nail on the head.

Alle Gory seems like he's mad at the world for some reason. im assuming he's been arrested before as he's supportting liberal anti-war protesting rioters over police. Seems fishy to me.

 

[Desert Fox]

I agree with bigjohnson, wiesman44, taiyuu and phenomenal one.

Also why are they having a fvcking snowball fight IN THE MIDDLE OF A GODDAMN INTERSECTION. Who does that? Fvck man, you can hit cars and trust me, a hit on your car might not to significant physical damage but it is LOUD as FVCK getting hit by a snow ball in your car. This could jar motorists causing them to plow straight into some traffic or the tards throwing stuff.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I agree with the posters you mentioned as well. I think they were throwing snow balls just at the "evil" Hummers or whatever other vehicle the crowd deemed bad. This was DC so I assume there are various politically charged nuts there lol.

 

[bigjohnson]

Well I'm not saying the cop was spot on here either but he's the least of the two evils for sure.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Alle Gory seems like he's mad at the world for some reason. im assuming he's been arrested before as he's supportting liberal anti-war protesting rioters over police. Seems fishy to me.

Oh really... I would like to hear your analysis, what other things can you tell about my life.

BTW, I am supporting unarmed crowds over a police officer with a drawn weapon.

IAlso why are they having a fvcking snowball fight IN THE MIDDLE OF A GODDAMN INTERSECTION.

Doesn't matter what they were doing. There is no reason for the officer to pull out a gun. This is not a situation that can be solved with a gun. The officer was not threatened, they were not armed, and they were not causing bodily harm to anyone. So where the hell did the gun come from?

Maybe the cop is a big p*ssy and can't address a crowd of people without his weapon.

If there really was a situation as the cop says, then maybe he should have pulled out his notepad and given out tickets.

Oh yeah, and the "officer" never identified himself to the crowd. So you can understand why the people there called for the cops. They thought he was some random thug with a weapon. They were almost correct.

Source: http://dcist.com/2009/12/police_officer_brandishes_gun_at_sn.php



But who the hell am I talking to? Here in Canada, we're not as used to guns and violence as you guys are in the states. You guys turn a blind eye to cops tazing old ladies and kids, so I can see why this is no big deal.

 

[bigjohnson]

Oh yeah, and the "officer" never identified himself to the crowd.

....

Source: http://dcist.com/2009/12/police_officer_brandishes_gun_at_sn.php

Says a few publicity seeking punks who have an axe to grind. I have to say, the officer looks very professional in all the images I can see, I'd be happy to have someone like that collecting my tax money and keeping my streets safe.

Maybe it's that Canadian English - here's a quote from your source "A uniformed police officer walked over from the middle of the intersection brandishing a gun"

The embedded video clearly shows you can see the badge clipped to the outside of the detectives coat in every shot where HE has a gun out.


So it's time for you to invent a new argument - go.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Maybe it's that Canadian English - here's a quote from your source "A uniformed police officer walked over from the middle of the intersection brandishing a gun"

You idiot. You didn't even read the article, you just pulled a sentence out.

The whole quote where you pulled your nonsense from:

At that time, I asked the people around me who the official was and several people told me that his name was Detective Bailey. No one could confirm that he had said his name or shown anyone a badge, but many people said that he was Detective Bailey.

At that time, he strode over to the crowd at the northeast corner and said, "When backup arrives, I'm having you -- and you -- and you -- and you -- arrested." He pointed to four individuals standing around me, all black males in their young 20s who seemed to be there together. He was not wearing a visible badge nor did he present one. Apparently, these guys had thrown snowballs at him.

The crowd began to swell. Detective Bailey -- and I am calling him that but could not confirm that that was his name -- told people, including me, to step back on the sidewalk, as the crowd began to clamor about police busting up the snow fight. The official challenged the crowd: "Someone throw another snowball. Someone throw another snowball. I dare you, see what happens." Someone in the crowd shouted back: "Who are you? What are you going to do about it?"

At least two squad cars arrived. A uniformed police officer walked over from the middle of the intersection brandishing a gun. At that time, the crowd was fully assembled on the sidewalk, and no one was throwing snowballs at Detective Bailey or his Hummer.

The embedded video clearly shows you can see the badge clipped to the outside of the detectives coat in every shot where HE has a gun out.

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't see sh*t and I have watched the video. I don't think you have.

Watch the video then maybe you can argue about it. Stop being a douche and making sh*t up.

Show me the "badge".

 

[bigjohnson]

Your debating with the guy and you haven't even seen a few videos of the incident?

It's you're, and of course I did, I said I looked at every image I could Google and I've read a lot of reports on the incident.

The whole quote where you pulled your nonsense from:

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't see sh*t and I have watched the video. I don't think you have.

Watched and looked at a lot of media on this. I stand by my evaluation of it and maybe you should contemplate this quote:


"No one could confirm that he had said his name or shown anyone a badge, but many people said that he was Detective Bailey.

At that time, he strode over to the crowd at the northeast corner and said, 'When backup arrives, I'm having you -- and you -- and you -- and you -- arrested.' He pointed to four individuals standing around me, all black males in their young 20s who seemed to be there together. He was not wearing a visible badge nor did he present one. Apparently, these guys had thrown snowballs at him."

• No one could confirm that he had said his name or shown anyone a badge, but many people said that he was Detective Bailey. It's highly unlikely that NO ONE could have confirmed this, more likely (but less dramatic, and this guy is a bona fide drama queen) no one standing within a few feet of where the reporter was standing could confirm it. So apparently SOMEONE, likely several, had seen a badge and he'd identified himself. He was not, however, running in circles holding his badge over his head. If you look at his demeanor, the fact that everyone in the crowd seemed to know he was "Detective Bailey",
• 'When backup arrives, I'm having you -- and you -- and you -- and you -- arrested.' ....and the fact he's calling for "backup" and have people arrested ... well there are people stupid enough that they can't add 2+2, but I'm not one of them. If this person was that curious they could always ask to see a badge again.
• Some images show what looks like a badge to me on his coat.

I still say the riot needed to be stopped and he did that.