"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Date with one girl turned non-date with two?

GhostWriter

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First post, I love this site! I've used numerous techniques and studied various scenarios then did some real world application. So far so good! Went clubbing last week and started dancing with a girl

I get her number then go back to my friends, text her 2 days saying let's hit up <trendy restaurant>. *which is tomorrow

I've just recently learned that dinner is no place to take a girl that you're not intimate with. So I still haven't decided where to go, maybe a soju bar.

So today she text me saying, "My friend will be coming too?"
*a girl

Not a declarative but interrogative statement.
Here's the thing, her friend is pretty cute.
I replied, "Sure."
I also learned you're not supposed to verify your date but say something like... Don't forget high heels since tennis shoes aren't allowed.
Here's the thing, she contacted me first to verify if we're still on. So to me that portrays interest level. Wednesday night was also her suggestion.

Does that mean she feels uncomfortable around me to where she has to bring a friend? I'm pretty sociable and by no means creepy. She's a FOB girl that seems shy and timid if that means anything.

Well my main objective is to get with her friend, any advice on the best way to approach this situation? I know you're supposed to not ignore one for the other. Do you give more or less attention to the girl you're interested in?
Would it be wise to kino both of them?

I can't imagine going in for a kiss at the end of the night when there are two of them. Both girls seem cute so I wouldn't mind hooking up with either of them by the way.

I'm still relatively new to DJ-ism so bear with me if I seem a little oblivious. I'm a very fast learner though and I look forward to hearing the words of wisdom from true DJs on this site!
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Serialized3

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i thought maybe she might be shy like you said because she's new in town but you got her number dancing at a club. you probably came off as non-sexual, and she likely sees you as just a friendly guy.

did you escalate or get physical at all at the club?

you screwed up when she asked you to bring a friend - she might have been trying to see what your intentions were (no friend = "date", friend = "no date"). it might be too rude to uninvite the other girl, but you could always try to text her saying that you'd really like to just focus on getting to know her, and that she should come alone.
 

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Do the words 'possible threesome' mean anything to you? Flirt with both of them. If you focus on one, than at least make the other one think you're a great guy.

Keep in mind, she might be bringing the friend for safety reasons, and get her opinion on you, so be nice and establish a lot of comfort with her friend. Win her friend over. basically game them both, but if you GO for her friend, you may lose out. Of course, if your date shows no interest and her friend does, its cool to switch girls.

Just be cool about it. If you're getting along well, go for the kiss when her friends is in the bathroom. If that doesnt happen, it is acceptable to go for the end of date kiss, regardless of her friend being there, just say goodbye to her freind first, and hopefully she'll take the hint and turn her back..
 

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Bring a cool buddy and frame it as a double date. Pawn him off to the other chick while you game yours.
 

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Well thanks to this site I'm not taking them out to eat. I'm gonna take 'em drinking at a soju bar. Yes I did get physical at the club, when we went to get a drink I grabbed her by the waist and lead her to the bar. I also did some light kino before and while getting her number. I'm certain I gave off sexual energy.

Spinaroonie that's a great idea! I'll bring one of my other friends along.

Thanks for the responses guys appreciate it.

As for serialized can you really tell a girl to just come alone? I think I'll game both, never really tried kissing in the middle of the date lol. If they resists it'll be really really awkward lol!!

okay I'm off
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Soju bar? Do those exist outside Korea? If so, I'd love to hit one!
 

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horaholic said:
Do the words 'possible threesome' mean anything to you?
Come on brother you and I both know she is not bringing a friend because she plans to have a threesome with our friend here.

OP you probably missed one of the simplest rules to follow in dating.

RULE: To be able to seduce a woman you have to isolate her! do not agree to HANG OUT with a woman and her friends unless she is your gf already!

It's one of the dumbest mistakes a guy can make.

1. You are supposed to set the tone from the beginning that you only see yourself/her as possible lovers. When two people from the opposite sex go out there's a psychological tone set that this is a date to scope each other out for possible romance. When you allow yourself to get into a situation when there's more than 2 people it no longer becomes that.
2. When you agree to go and be with a woman and her friends it is no longer a date but a hangout.
3. In order to seduce a woman you need to ISOLATE HER. You will find it much harder and almost impossible to properly seduce her when her nosy little friend/friends are there. You need to put yourself in situations of power (being alone with a woman) rather than situations with obstacles to seducing women.
4. Women love to invite guys they know are interested in them to their social circle to basically ADD THEM to their social circle and give them the friend card covertly that way. You don't want to be in her social circle you want to be her lover.
5. Women love to bring friends along in order to KEEP YOU AT BAY! It's the simplest co** blocking technique in the world. Do you think she would have brought her friend along if she wanted you? Women do this when they have doubt about you. They don't want to make you feel bad so they bring a friend and you hanging out with her + friend sets the tone between you two from the start as nothing more than friendship.

You made a mistake by agreeing to this but you live and learn. If I were you I would ignore the target and go for her friend and make the target feel like sh*t. Let it backfire on her that would probably attract her to you more.

No you are not having a date because you allowed her to change it to a hangout. A date is between a man and a woman and when there's more people involved it becomes a hangout.
 

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Well f823000 sometimes you don't have a choice. Once I went on a date and she brought a friend a long with her. No warning, or advance notice. I managed to give a good impression to the both of them and later on during the date the girl's friend "had to go" or was dismissed. They're not used to cvckblock you but rather as a back up. If you turn up unlikeable she can go off with the friend. If you impress them both you score a makeout with the girl you're taking out.

I don't know how many European people post on this board, but I think in Europe or parts of it its not such a big deal to go on group dates. Of course iso is still always best but the girl could be bringing along her girlfriend for any number of reasons: so she can get a second opinion on you, so she can show you off to her girlfriend and etc. etc. If they bring a second person just try not to panic...
 

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Thanks guys, yea Soju bars do exists in Korea towns. There aren't as much as china towns but they exists, LA, NY, Dallas has a big one, Houston, Phoenix, well.. they're everywhere :)

Tomorrow is already too late I'm just gonna go solo and game on the friend since I know my original target doesn't have much interest in me otherwise she would've went solo. Obviously not going to completely ignore her, but invest most of my time on the cute friend. So I suppose this predicament actually turned in my favor... somewhat.

For future reference how would you guys respond to her asking.. "My friend will be coming too?"

I can only see how it would hurt her impression of you.
****y + funny? Witty?

Or maybe a true DJ would have never been in this position in the first place. I'll take that as a sign that I need to work and improve on my game.
If I had raised her interest level high enough then she would have never invited the third wheel. Thanks again guys, I'll let you all know how it went.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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