"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Dancing in clubs and the hard on.

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I'm just curious about this subject. When your out in clubs or bars... music is playing you grab a sexy girl and start dancing with her... do you just grind up on them and feel them up? Is there anything more to dancing with them? And are the girls looking for a hard on?
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Im usually drunk enough (but i still have control) that my **** doesn't wake up by random grinding :p
 

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When your out in clubs or bars... music is playing you grab a sexy girl and start dancing with her... do you just grind up on them and feel them up?
Yes.

Is there anything more to dancing with them?
Not really, no.

And are the girls looking for a hard on?
I doubt they think to themselves "lets find me a boner in this joint", but if your grinding with a chick and you get a hard-on let her know, and/or put her hand on your d1ck, they always pull there hand away but cant keep the smile off their face i.e they love it.
 

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well what if u don't get a boner. Do u think they think to themselves... umm whats wrong with him?

I'll be out tonight... better believe i'm gonna get on some nice assed girl and dance with her. If i don't catch a boner, do u think she'll get offended? Just curious.

Now that i think about it, i think this is probably a good survey question to actually open with some girls with tonight.

"Hi, Do you get offended if u dance with a guy you met in the club all night long... and he doesn't get a boner?"
 

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Money2burn said:
well what if u don't get a boner. Do u think they think to themselves... umm whats wrong with him?

I'll be out tonight... better believe i'm gonna get on some nice assed girl and dance with her. If i don't catch a boner, do u think she'll get offended? Just curious.

Now that i think about it, i think this is probably a good survey question to actually open with some girls with tonight.

"Hi, Do you get offended if u dance with a guy you met in the club all night long... and he doesn't get a boner?"
Try your best "NOT" to get a boner... Women are not even thinking about that and are more or less thinking more about the drunk guys hitting on them and grabbing them more than you getting a boner.

This actually freaks many women out and I have heard women talk about this such as, "This weird guy started dancing with me and when I was backing it up on him, he had a hard on... Before I left I told him I had to go to the bathroom and that he should probably hit the mens room himself."

Women believe as a man you should have control over that.
 

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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Money2burn said:
well what if u don't get a boner. Do u think they think to themselves... umm whats wrong with him?

I'll be out tonight... better believe i'm gonna get on some nice assed girl and dance with her. If i don't catch a boner, do u think she'll get offended? Just curious.
I dont think most girls like feeling a boner when they dance. Girls are wierd.

They get more offended if they offer themselves to give a BJ, and you never come. Its rather hard to fake coming when getting a BJ aswell.
 

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I love this topic!!

Usually, I'm the guy that doesn't believe in grinding. I prefer not to grind on any womans butt and me getting a hard on is the reason behind this.

Now there have been times where I have grinded, but like someone else said, at this point I was too drunk to get a boner. It could be my drunken imagination, but it always seemed like the girl would dance harder when she realized that I wasn't getting a boner. At this point I would start making out with her and Boney would pop up.

It's something I definately should ask my female friend though. Good question and it's probably not meant for a bunch of people who get boners.
 

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You guys make laugh. I swear most of you just say what you "think" girls like/dis-like without actually finding out first hand.
 

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sexybeast said:
You guys make laugh. I swear most of you just say what you "think" girls like/dis-like without actually finding out first hand.
I'm gonna find out first hand tonight, Biyotch! I'll give you guys the results of my survey tonight.

I really just never thought about it. I really never thought about a couple things i've recently been questioning. I'd like to pop a viagra before i go out one night... and just dance with every HB as possible... see there reactions when they feel my poking them with my hammer.
 

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First off, never just grab a girl and try to dance with her. Establish rapport with the girl for at least 5 minutes first, in an area away from the dance floor. Just grabbing some random girl has a 99.9% failure rate, unless you're a celebrity or a pro athlete.

Second at the night club I work at, the bumping and grinding is usually reserved for the kids in the club with a Fake ID, or the really drunk easy girls, or couples. Most dancing done by regular adults establishes a distance at which you feel close enough to be personal, but not too close to the point it looks like you're trying to recreate a porno.

Third, a boner should be the least of your concerns. For me personally, I feel it is the girls task to get me hard. She should prove it to me that she has what it takes in the sack. Usually if I don't get one, it means the girl is really bad in bed. If you have no rhythm on the dance floor, what do you think the rhythm is like between the sheets.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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PiHiPlaya said:
Second at the night club I work at, the bumping and grinding is usually reserved for the kids in the club with a Fake ID, or the really drunk easy girls, or couples. Most dancing done by regular adults establishes a distance at which you feel close enough to be personal, but not too close to the point it looks like you're trying to recreate a porno.
This coming from a guy who's 18?
 

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Money2burn said:
I'm gonna find out first hand tonight, Biyotch! I'll give you guys the results of my survey tonight.

I really just never thought about it. I really never thought about a couple things i've recently been questioning. I'd like to pop a viagra before i go out one night... and just dance with every HB as possible... see there reactions when they feel my poking them with my hammer.
lol you nutter.
 

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PiHiPlaya said:
First off, never just grab a girl and try to dance with her. Establish rapport with the girl for at least 5 minutes first, in an area away from the dance floor. Just grabbing some random girl has a 99.9% failure rate, unless you're a celebrity or a pro athlete.

Second at the night club I work at, the bumping and grinding is usually reserved for the kids in the club with a Fake ID, or the really drunk easy girls, or couples. Most dancing done by regular adults establishes a distance at which you feel close enough to be personal, but not too close to the point it looks like you're trying to recreate a porno.

Third, a boner should be the least of your concerns. For me personally, I feel it is the girls task to get me hard. She should prove it to me that she has what it takes in the sack. Usually if I don't get one, it means the girl is really bad in bed. If you have no rhythm on the dance floor, what do you think the rhythm is like between the sheets.
Wtf dude! This is some of the worst advice i've ever read. Thre's not one thing I agree with. Do you want me to break your post down for you? I really cant be fvcked tho :)
 

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Sorry but tonight i couldn't test out my survey. I went out but it probably was the ****tiest night i've had in about 3 weeks. I went to a **** club... with ****ty girls... and none i wanted to dance with. I don't want to sound bitter as if i was the lame person at this place and things just didnt go my way... NO. IT was a **** night to go out, PERIOD. I will probabkly test this out on Saturday... hopefully it won't be such a ****ty night like tonight was.
 
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